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When an aggressor and a super power claim they're offering a "peace process", they're actually colluding to offer a surrender process when they fail to include
by burnt-resistor 11mo ago
When an aggressor and a super power claim they're offering a "peace process", they're actually colluding to offer a surrender process when they fail to include the defending party in good faith. It's complete bullshit. In diplomacy terms, whenever you hear "peace process" used in news media, mentally substitute "America's demands" because that's the most frequent reality. Trump is in Putin's pocket, the sky is blue, and nothing will change until Kyiv is able to sustain and expand hobbling of Russia's economy while resisting gamified "peace" strategic pauses; UA drone strikes on RU petrochem facilities are getting more effective over time.
- leobg 11mo agoI find it interesting that your comment centers around principles and justice. There are thousands of young people who are dying in trenches and blown to pieces by drones each week, and have been for the past three years. You don’t even mention them.
- madspindel 11mo agoYes, let's never forget that Russia is a terrorist state.
- watwut 11mo agoPerfect solution is Russia stops sending them there and orders them to go home. Ukrainian one then remain home. And considering Russia does not intend to stop expansion, absent pressure on Russia, they will be eventually dying in Germany.
- burnt-resistor 11mo ago[flagged]
- rightbyte 11mo agoThere are a lot of romantics. I wonder if the tone was the same during the 1WW. It is silly.
- derelicta 11mo agoWarsluts do not tend to be the one dying in those said wars.
- AnimalMuppet 11mo agoWell, see, we learned nearly a century ago that when someone aggressively expands and you give in to them to maintain "peace in our time", you don't get peace for very long. You wind up with more dead bodies, not less. Fighting when it's needed leads to more dead this week than abject surrender would cause, but if history is any guide, it leads to fewer dead bodies this decade.
- rightbyte 11mo ago"Someone"? Are you alluding to NATO or Russia here in the present? Hard to tell.
- ben_w 11mo ago"peace in our time" is a famous quote, nearly a century ago: https://www.history.co.uk/this-day-in-history/30-september/chamberlain-declares-peace-in-our-time https://www.history.co.uk/this-day-in-history/30-september/c... What AnimalMuppet shows with the failure of "peace in our time" is how speaking softly only works in combination with a big stick, to paraphrase a different politician from a different continent around a generation earlier than "peace in our time".
- rightbyte 11mo agoYes I know. The question is who they aimed at in the current day context.
- leobg 11mo agoWrong lesson from history. Go a bit further back. WW1. It’s easy to talk about “never appease an aggressor” when its someone else’s kid. Now it’s a story arch. Good vs evil. Entertainment! Like sports. You pick your team. But from the comfort of your tv, of course.
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