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What I'd really like is a TV with DisplayPort. How is this not a thing? IIRC you cannot buy a display with DP that's larger than 45 inches, give or take - they
by tormeh 10mo ago
What I'd really like is a TV with DisplayPort. How is this not a thing? IIRC you cannot buy a display with DP that's larger than 45 inches, give or take - they just don't exist. I think this is really weird. Like, I'd pay an extra $100 for that port, but I'm just not allowed to have it.
- EnPissant 10mo agoWhy would you want such a thing? HDMI 2.1 does HDR 4k @ 120hz without compression. The entire TV ecosystem uses HDMI. If you want to connect a PC to a TV they always have at least 1 HDMI out, and some have a couple.
- willis936 10mo agoOh, I know this one. It was recently on the HN front page. Open source software stacks are locked out of high end pixel clocks. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46220488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46220488
- MarsIronPI 10mo agoBecause HDMI 2.1 uses a proprietary protocol that's not implemented in any free OS[0]. If you want to use HDMI 2.1 features right now, your only option is to use a non-free OS like Windows or MacOS. [0]: This came up recently with Valve: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46220488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46220488
- no_wizard 10mo agofrom a purely technical point of view i do wish HDMI 2.1 was able to gain traction. On a couple of things I own that do actually use it, its an actual noticeable improvement and I feel does a better job than DisplayPort. Granted, I suspect quite strongly the next wave of consolidation is going to continue the trend of being around USB-C, since the spec should have the bandwidth to handle any video / audio protocols for quite some time. Matter of time until that happens IMO. It also lets you have a single cord that could theoretically be your power cord and your A/V cord.
- rethinkhdmi 10mo agoFrom a purely technical standpoint display port is a better standard. HDMI couldn't get their shit together to do anything with USBC and thus all USBC to HDMI converter cables run display port internally. Display port already allows multiple video streams, ausiostreams ... Why do we need a closed standard to also do this?!?!
- MegaDeKay 10mo agoNot really. That same link talks about how Intel and nvidia drivers can provide HDMI 2.1 on Linux but it is via their non-free firmware blob. AMD doesn't (can't? won't?) do the same but there is a workaround: a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter using a particular chip running hacked firmware. That'll get you 4K 120 Hz with working FreeSync VRR. https://forum.level1techs.com/t/it-is-possible-to-4k-120-hdr-vrr-444-chroma-on-linux-bazzite-with-amd-9070xt-with-this-dp-to-hdmi-cable-but-it-may-not-work-for-everything/227748/46 https://forum.level1techs.com/t/it-is-possible-to-4k-120-hdr...
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 10mo agoI don't remember where,but somebody explained that the adapters also have some kind of limitation. I can't remember what but they went into deep details and the whole thing is revolting. Governments should protect open source.
- paholg 10mo agoSome of us would like our expensive hardware to work without hacked third party dongles.
- MegaDeKay 10mo agoAll of us would like our expensive hardware to work without hacked third party dongles. But given that this isn't possible with AMD open source drivers at the present time, this is the best we'll get for now.
- nottorp 10mo agoIt's also a piece of shit that will negotiate whatever it wants with your non free OS instead of giving you unmolested RGB...
- no_wizard 10mo agoAs far as I am aware, after having done exhaustive research on this, its licensing costs and popularity. Display port simply isn't popular enough. The vast majority of TV manufacturers (not brands mind you, many white label their manufacturing to different brands) also make monitors, and adoption of HDMI across both tvs and monitors not only was much higher, it was overall cheaper in cost since you could share the same components across lines. This being driven by cheaper licensing costs for accessory manufacturers (like blu ray players). Its also easier to implement, if I recall correctly This is the essential core of it, as I have come to understand it anyway.
- pityJuke 10mo agoWanting to know what I'm missing r/e: licensing costs. Wikipedia [0] states: > VESA, the creators of the DisplayPort standard, state that the standard is royalty-free to implement. And VESA's website [1] lists Samsung, Sony and LG as being members already, so they've already paid. What am I missing here? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Cost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Cost [1]: https://vesa.org/about-vesa/member-companies/ https://vesa.org/about-vesa/member-companies/
- microbass 10mo agoI saw some giant TV on LTT recently which has a DP port.
- kjkjadksj 10mo agoA DisplayPort Port you say?
- gloflo 10mo agoNo, they said "DP port", not "DP Port". DisplayPort is a standard. A DisplayPort port is a port that follows the DisplayPort standard.
- jdiff 10mo agoAs opposed to the DisplayPort cable, DisplayPort standard, or DisplayPort encoding that's sent over the wire, yes. This isn't a PIN number situation despite the stutter.
- lostlogin 10mo agoI tried to buy a good 32 inch tv. This is also hard. I need up going a little matter and even then, the utterly trash built in speakers frustrate the hell out of me.
- drnick1 10mo ago32" is squarely "PC monitor" territory and there are now many good options even w/ OLED. No built-in speakers.
- energy123 10mo agoA 32" 4k 240hz OLED computer monitor + smart TV HDMI dongle + external speakers should work fine. Only point I would check is if the remote that comes with the dongle can turn on the monitor.
- ProllyInfamous 10mo agoI absolutely love my Aorus 48" OLED-type display (w/ DisplayPort). I tried a 48" TFT-type television (attempting use as a computer display) and the refresh rate just wasn't there, along with typical backlight splotching (but it cost a fifth as much, so...). My only caution is OLED can experience burn-in (unlike the smaller Aorus 45" using a VA-type panel), but it is otherwise a much better experience
- energy123 10mo ago> My only caution is OLED can experience burn-in The other limitation is lower brightness than miniLED monitors, around 30-60% of the nits in SDR. Whether that matters obviously depends on the ambient light or reflective surfaces near you. For me, because I'm next to a big window and already squinting at my 400 nits IPS monitor, a < 300 nits OLED is a non-starter, but a 600 nits in SDR, IPS miniLED, is ideal. This limitation should be temporary however because there are some high nit OLED TVs coming on the market in 2025 so bright OLED 27-43" monitors will likely follow.
- andhuman 10mo agoThe new LG panels are bright enough. I think they’re called 4th generation WOLED.
- energy123 10mo ago330 nits in SDR is good relative to other OLED monitors and good enough for most indoor environments but not good enough for my indoor environment. Windows are too big and not tinted, just too much ambient light for anything below 500 nits.
- heresie-dabord 10mo agoDell offers a 43" display with speakers and DP, HDMI, and USB. It costs three times as much as a TV, but it is highly-rated kit if you can afford it. I would rather have a quality large display with speakers and DP than a TV. The only argument in favour of buying a large TV for coding is cost.
- thesandlord 10mo agoNew Hisense TVs have USB-C DisplayPort support. Pretty cool, but realistically I don't see how it's different from HDMI from a usefulness standpoint. Edit: It is cool I can plug my phone or laptop into the TV with one cable, no adapters, and get some power as well. For some reason it didn't work with my Steam Deck which was strange.
- PaulHoule 10mo agoI think it helps with the HDMI 2.1 licensing bullshit.
- helterskelter 10mo agoThis. I was reading about some of the ugly hacks Valve has had to get around to use 2.1 on the steam machine. They (HDMI consortium, whatever its called) won't let you use 2.1 if your video drivers are FOSS. Since SM has open drivers for the AMD card it's leading to subobtimal video output at certain resolution/framerate combos (4K@120fps? Something like that), and they can't legally advertise support for HDMI2.1.
- account42 10mo agoDepends what speed their USB-C port supports.
- godelski 10mo agoAnd annoyingly you can do USB-C to DP but not the other direction. I can't be the only one that hooks up my computer, with a graphics card, to my TV
- oynqr 10mo agoThere absolutely are ways to do this, some motherboards have a DP-In connector that is routed to the USB4 ports. One example would be the ProArt X670E.
- ThatPlayer 10mo ago
- Marsymars 10mo agoThere was the 55" Alienware OLED monitor, but unfortunately it never received a follow-up after its 2019 release.
- mr_toad 10mo ago> What I'd really like is a TV with DisplayPort. Issues with HDCP support maybe?
- watermelon0 10mo agoDisplayPort supports all HDCP versions, so that shouldn't be a problem.
- rk06 10mo agoi would really like a tv with usb c. so, i can directly connect my phone/ tablet and cast directly
- t0bia_s 10mo agoYou can buy projector and have 120 inches screen in 160 inches wide room. And it is also unbreakable screen, useful especially if you have kids.
- Dumblydorr 10mo agoHow far away from the screen do you need to sit though? Isn’t that too wide? I have kids but I’ve never seen them almost break a TV lol
- dododge 10mo ago"Too wide" is in the eye of the beholder. I typically sit eight feet from a 130" ultra-wide projection screen. That felt enormous the first time I used it, but after a decade it seems "normal" and I occasionally think about going bigger.
- baq 10mo agoIt’s nice but OLED contrast is very hard to beat, and if you’re one of those folks who insist that ‘a white wall is good enough’ then it’s not even the same ballpark of image quality.
- t0bia_s 10mo agoAre cinema screens bad in contrast? Do you need a pixel peeping while watch conpressed streaming show?
- account42 10mo agoWith awful blacks, sure.
- t0bia_s 10mo agoYou consider cinema screen as awful?
- MrBuddyCasino 10mo agoDifferent tariff rates for TVs and computer monitors.
- opan 10mo agoI have a NEC P462 display with DP among other things. It's about that size you said, so maybe you're right, but my first thought is that there's gotta be bigger displays for digital signage, and why wouldn't they have DP if this one does? NEC and Samsung both make these types of displays, IIRC, not sure who else.
- account42 10mo agoI'd pay way more than $100 for that port since the HDMI forum won't let my Linux PC with AMD graphics do 4K@120Hz without compression.