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Any Boeing other than 777/787 does not use fly-by-wire. However, that doesn't illuminate the possibility of these errors. Whilst the flight-controls are mechan

by Stevvo 10mo ago

Any Boeing other than 777/787 does not use fly-by-wire. However, that doesn't illuminate the possibility of these errors. Whilst the flight-controls are mechanically linked, the autopilot/trim is electric, so is still suspectable to bit-flips.

drob518 10mo ago
Still a lot of software involved in controlling the aircraft. The 737 Max incidents were eventually tracked to software quality issues, IIRC. All those old designs are being upgraded with modern avionics, so even if the airframe and linkages are old-school, the inputs are being driven by digital computers. At least that’s my understanding. I confess to not being a “plane guy,” though I have spent a lot of time traveling in planes, and I have stayed at a few Holiday Inn Express hotels.
- buckle8017 10mo ago
  The MAX issues are not software. The plane is fundamentally unstable because of the huge engines (which they have to improve fuel efficiency). The only way to correct that is software with an angle of attack sensor. They only installed one sensor though. Does that sound like a software error or a fundamental physical design flaw?
  - dehrmann 10mo ago
    > The plane is fundamentally unstable because of the huge engines I'll leave the googling to you, but this isn't true. The plane isn't fundamentally unstable, and certainly not like a modern fly-by-wire fighter.
    - buckle8017 10mo ago
      Outside of the typical flight envelope it absolutely is like a fly by wire fighter. That's why there's an angle of attack sensor, to keep the plane outside of that failure range.
    - Stevvo 10mo ago
      The 737 Max is unstable in the pitch axis. There is no debate about that. It might help to read what aerodynamic instability actually means before making such a claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_derivatives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_derivatives
  - xeonmc 10mo ago
    From what I've read, the plane was not unstable, it just handles different, but stable; pilots just need to do the aircraft-specific retraining to as they usually do whenever you encounter different aircrafts with different handling characteristics. Boeing wanted to pretend there is difference at all, to skip on retraining.

by Stevvo 10mo ago

drob518 10mo ago

Still a lot of software involved in controlling the aircraft. The 737 Max incidents were eventually tracked to software quality issues, IIRC. All those old designs are being upgraded with modern avionics, so even if the airframe and linkages are old-school, the inputs are being driven by digital computers. At least that’s my understanding. I confess to not being a “plane guy,” though I have spent a lot of time traveling in planes, and I have stayed at a few Holiday Inn Express hotels.

buckle8017 10mo ago
The MAX issues are not software. The plane is fundamentally unstable because of the huge engines (which they have to improve fuel efficiency). The only way to correct that is software with an angle of attack sensor. They only installed one sensor though. Does that sound like a software error or a fundamental physical design flaw?
- dehrmann 10mo ago
  > The plane is fundamentally unstable because of the huge engines I'll leave the googling to you, but this isn't true. The plane isn't fundamentally unstable, and certainly not like a modern fly-by-wire fighter.
  - buckle8017 10mo ago
    Outside of the typical flight envelope it absolutely is like a fly by wire fighter. That's why there's an angle of attack sensor, to keep the plane outside of that failure range.
  - Stevvo 10mo ago
    The 737 Max is unstable in the pitch axis. There is no debate about that. It might help to read what aerodynamic instability actually means before making such a claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_derivatives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_derivatives
- xeonmc 10mo ago
  From what I've read, the plane was not unstable, it just handles different, but stable; pilots just need to do the aircraft-specific retraining to as they usually do whenever you encounter different aircrafts with different handling characteristics. Boeing wanted to pretend there is difference at all, to skip on retraining.