> That's kind of a big difference, wouldn't you say? To their utility. Not sure if it matters on the question "thinking?"; even if for the debaters "thinking"

> That's kind of a big difference, wouldn't you say? To their utility. Not sure if it matters on the question "thinking?"; even if for the debaters "thinking" requires consciousness/qualia (and that varies), there's nothing more than guesses as to where that emerges from.