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It is not rare at all. Fact is, as more and more data comes out we are becoming more and more aware that the Covid vaccines have caused severe damage. Here is

by pkphilip 10mo ago

It is not rare at all. Fact is, as more and more data comes out we are becoming more and more aware that the Covid vaccines have caused severe damage. Here is the data collated from 125 countries: there were about 31 million excess deaths across the 2020-23 period. Spatiotemporal variation of excess all-cause mortality in the world (125 countries) during the Covid period 2020-2023 regarding socio-economic factors and public-health and medical interventions https://hal.science/hal-05110349 https://hal.science/hal-05110349 Explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBkKBqpLjAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBkKBqpLjAk

yongjik 10mo ago
> there were about 31 million excess deaths across the 2020-23 period ...am I missing something, or are you saying there were 31 million excess deaths during which the world had COVID ??? I'd say, yeah that tracks ...?
- Terr_ 10mo ago
  "At the same time everybody was using umbrellas, lots of people got wet! Clearly, umbrellas are at fault."
  - estearum 10mo ago
    If only there were some method by which we could disaggregate effects like these... Perhaps we could get a huge number of people and then randomly assign some of them to a "treatment" group and then some to a "control" group. We don't tell people which group they're in. Then we measure whether they got wet. Just a thought...
cthalupa 10mo ago
The lead "researcher" on that paper is a climate change denier who also claims covid didn't exist. He also used racial slurs against a former colleague. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt He's not a credible source. HAL is not a peer reviewed journal, it is an open archive where you can upload papers regardless of publication status. Meanwhile, we have excellent actual research done by credible researchers in peer reviewed journals like https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... that directly dispute this nonsense.
- youarentrightjr 10mo ago
  > The lead "researcher" on that paper is a climate change denier who also claims covid didn't exist. He also used racial slurs against a former colleague. I invite you to read another important Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well No doubt Denis Rancourt holds false and reprehensible beliefs. But you can defeat his claims without attacking his person.
  - cthalupa 10mo ago
    I would argue that his general stance on COVID is HIGHLY relevant and not poisoning the well, as is his general stance on other science-related topics, which climate change definitely is. If someone claims that COVID doesn't even exist then I think it is quite fair to immediately discard anything they have to say on this topic. Mentioning his racism is perhaps poisoning the well, but the other stuff I think is relevant.
estearum 10mo ago
Well that's a ridiculously stupid paper. Major claim: COVID is not the correct explanation for the 31 million excess deaths during... COVID. Reasons provided: * Excess deaths didn't rise until after public healthy emergencies were declared (yeah, duh, emergencies were declared as testing showed extreme growth which occurs at least weeks prior to most deaths) * Vast differences in mortality rate between political jurisdictions, even among those who shared borders (yeah, duh, sharing a border doesn't mean you have the same public health or data reporting systems as the county, state, or nation nearby) * Erratic mortality patterns (yeah, duh, there's a seasonality to many viruses and one can quite obviously see that in excess mortality and also by uhh... living through winter...) * Unstable economic correlations (yeah, duh, there were different interventions protecting or exposing different people disproportionately at different times) So all of these things they say disprove the virus hypothesis. Frankly laughable. Thank you for sharing!

yongjik 10mo ago

> there were about 31 million excess deaths across the 2020-23 period ...am I missing something, or are you saying there were 31 million excess deaths during which the world had COVID ??? I'd say, yeah that tracks ...?

Terr_ 10mo ago
"At the same time everybody was using umbrellas, lots of people got wet! Clearly, umbrellas are at fault."
- estearum 10mo ago
  If only there were some method by which we could disaggregate effects like these... Perhaps we could get a huge number of people and then randomly assign some of them to a "treatment" group and then some to a "control" group. We don't tell people which group they're in. Then we measure whether they got wet. Just a thought...

cthalupa 10mo ago

The lead "researcher" on that paper is a climate change denier who also claims covid didn't exist. He also used racial slurs against a former colleague. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Rancourt He's not a credible source. HAL is not a peer reviewed journal, it is an open archive where you can upload papers regardless of publication status. Meanwhile, we have excellent actual research done by credible researchers in peer reviewed journals like https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... that directly dispute this nonsense.

youarentrightjr 10mo ago
> The lead "researcher" on that paper is a climate change denier who also claims covid didn't exist. He also used racial slurs against a former colleague. I invite you to read another important Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well No doubt Denis Rancourt holds false and reprehensible beliefs. But you can defeat his claims without attacking his person.
- cthalupa 10mo ago
  I would argue that his general stance on COVID is HIGHLY relevant and not poisoning the well, as is his general stance on other science-related topics, which climate change definitely is. If someone claims that COVID doesn't even exist then I think it is quite fair to immediately discard anything they have to say on this topic. Mentioning his racism is perhaps poisoning the well, but the other stuff I think is relevant.

estearum 10mo ago

Well that's a ridiculously stupid paper. Major claim: COVID is not the correct explanation for the 31 million excess deaths during... COVID. Reasons provided: * Excess deaths didn't rise until after public healthy emergencies were declared (yeah, duh, emergencies were declared as testing showed extreme growth which occurs at least weeks prior to most deaths) * Vast differences in mortality rate between political jurisdictions, even among those who shared borders (yeah, duh, sharing a border doesn't mean you have the same public health or data reporting systems as the county, state, or nation nearby) * Erratic mortality patterns (yeah, duh, there's a seasonality to many viruses and one can quite obviously see that in excess mortality and also by uhh... living through winter...) * Unstable economic correlations (yeah, duh, there were different interventions protecting or exposing different people disproportionately at different times) So all of these things they say disprove the virus hypothesis. Frankly laughable. Thank you for sharing!