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Why do you think Epic is okay with Nintendo, Sony, and XBox?

ribosometronome 10mo ago
Because the three of them are all making their store business decisions outside of CA such that it's far harder to have California law applied to them?
- madeofpalk 10mo ago
  Epic also sued both Google and Apple in Australia, which is notably outside of CA. https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/australia-court-rules-partly-against-apple-google-epic-games-lawsuit-2025-08-12/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/australia-court-rul... I think the simpler answer is that Epic isn’t upset with the arrangement they have with Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. They’ve done a better job cultivating a relationship with Epic than Apple has who seems to have only contempt for every other developer. https://direct.playstation.com/en-gb/buy-consoles/playstation5-console-1-tb-fortnite-flowering-chaos-bundle https://direct.playstation.com/en-gb/buy-consoles/playstatio... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubcwin-Switch-Fortnite-Wildcat-Bundle/dp/B08KB5FBH8 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubcwin-Switch-Fortnite-Wildcat-Bund...
hbn 10mo ago
Because Epic is doing something much closer to those companies and restraints on what they can do would likely affect Epic as well.
tuna74 10mo ago
Because if console makers can not "control" the platform there will probably not be future consoles which are a big part of Epic's sales.
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  Yeah, console hardware already run on thin margins and it feels like one of the big manufacturers are already on their way out. I don't think extra regulation benefits anyone. Not the devs, not the consumers. Meanwhile, Apple and Google sure aren't going to call it quits just because they take 10, 20% less.
  - simondotau 10mo ago
    You're seriously arguing that Sony and Microsoft need or deserve special treatment? That's patently insane. The Government shouldn't be in the business of assessing the minutia of competing business models. Whatever you think is right for Apple, it's good enough for absolutely everyone.
    - johnnyanmac 10mo ago
      I'm mostly saying 1. No one cares about making an app store for the Ps5 when in 10 years they'll need to port it to the PS6 2. Consoles are already stagnating and it won't take much to also push Sony out. So basically we'd reduce competition back down to Nintendo to enable a feature no one cares about. But sure. If you want to look at it in that lens: I want apple and Google to get "special punishments" because they've long proven to be a monopoly and practice anti-competitive behaviors. We can deal with other monopolies as we go along.
    - tuna74 10mo ago
      The size and impact on society of the Android/iOS platforms are way way way higher than that of Sony's and Nintendo's platforms. Nobody needs a console, but basically everybody needs a phone running Android or iOS.
      - simondotau 10mo ago
        Yes, basically everybody needs a phone running Android or iOS. But they don’t need Fortnite on their phone. If the government wanted to proscribe store rates for productivity apps only, I’d be more receptive. But it’s ridiculous for the government to proscribe rates for game sales, especially if they aren’t doing the same for all game stores.
monocularvision 10mo ago
Because they directly negotiate deals with those companies that other smaller players can’t negotiate. The App Store is largely a “these are the rules for everyone” minus a few small exceptions.
labcomputer 10mo ago
Have they sued Nintendo, Sony or XBox yet?

Because the three of them are all making their store business decisions outside of CA such that it's far harder to have California law applied to them?

madeofpalk 10mo ago
Epic also sued both Google and Apple in Australia, which is notably outside of CA. https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/australia-court-rules-partly-against-apple-google-epic-games-lawsuit-2025-08-12/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/australia-court-rul... I think the simpler answer is that Epic isn’t upset with the arrangement they have with Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. They’ve done a better job cultivating a relationship with Epic than Apple has who seems to have only contempt for every other developer. https://direct.playstation.com/en-gb/buy-consoles/playstation5-console-1-tb-fortnite-flowering-chaos-bundle https://direct.playstation.com/en-gb/buy-consoles/playstatio... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubcwin-Switch-Fortnite-Wildcat-Bundle/dp/B08KB5FBH8 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubcwin-Switch-Fortnite-Wildcat-Bund...

hbn 10mo ago

Because Epic is doing something much closer to those companies and restraints on what they can do would likely affect Epic as well.

tuna74 10mo ago

Because if console makers can not "control" the platform there will probably not be future consoles which are a big part of Epic's sales.

johnnyanmac 10mo ago
Yeah, console hardware already run on thin margins and it feels like one of the big manufacturers are already on their way out. I don't think extra regulation benefits anyone. Not the devs, not the consumers. Meanwhile, Apple and Google sure aren't going to call it quits just because they take 10, 20% less.
- simondotau 10mo ago
  You're seriously arguing that Sony and Microsoft need or deserve special treatment? That's patently insane. The Government shouldn't be in the business of assessing the minutia of competing business models. Whatever you think is right for Apple, it's good enough for absolutely everyone.
  - johnnyanmac 10mo ago
    I'm mostly saying 1. No one cares about making an app store for the Ps5 when in 10 years they'll need to port it to the PS6 2. Consoles are already stagnating and it won't take much to also push Sony out. So basically we'd reduce competition back down to Nintendo to enable a feature no one cares about. But sure. If you want to look at it in that lens: I want apple and Google to get "special punishments" because they've long proven to be a monopoly and practice anti-competitive behaviors. We can deal with other monopolies as we go along.
  - tuna74 10mo ago
    The size and impact on society of the Android/iOS platforms are way way way higher than that of Sony's and Nintendo's platforms. Nobody needs a console, but basically everybody needs a phone running Android or iOS.
    - simondotau 10mo ago
      Yes, basically everybody needs a phone running Android or iOS. But they don’t need Fortnite on their phone. If the government wanted to proscribe store rates for productivity apps only, I’d be more receptive. But it’s ridiculous for the government to proscribe rates for game sales, especially if they aren’t doing the same for all game stores.

monocularvision 10mo ago

Because they directly negotiate deals with those companies that other smaller players can’t negotiate. The App Store is largely a “these are the rules for everyone” minus a few small exceptions.

labcomputer 10mo ago

Have they sued Nintendo, Sony or XBox yet?