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Really poor example for grandchildren etc. Particularly now that plenty of evidence that marijuana can cause psychosis, depression in a subset and a decrease in

by sam345 10mo ago

Really poor example for grandchildren etc. Particularly now that plenty of evidence that marijuana can cause psychosis, depression in a subset and a decrease in ambition and drive, and increasingly a cause of traffic accidents.

dingnuts 10mo ago
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techblueberry 10mo ago
You sound fun at parties.
labrador 10mo ago
This is a narrow minded take. I come from a family of Irish alcoholics. Most of the younger generation uses cannabis instead of drinking and avoids the devastation from alcohol that my generation and older experienced.
- almosthere 10mo ago
  If you don't like losing half your IQ points, then I guess this is a narrow minded take.
  - labrador 10mo ago
    I guess we're a family of geniuses because with our IQ halved our younger members have gone into successful professional careers.
  - jfindper 10mo ago
    Extreme exaggerations make for poor arguments.
- aurareturn 10mo ago
  Counter: I'm going to guess that it's easier to get addicted to weed than to alcohol due to price, pleasure, and no alcohol hang over. Kids especially can get addicted to weed much easier than alcohol in my opinion. I like alcohol but I see alcohol as a social drug. I never drank it alone. I also physically can't drink it too much due to hang over and complete inability to do anything useful after. During covid lockdowns, I was absolutely addicted to weed after I tried it. It had none of the draw backs of alcohol and even more pleasure in the beginning. I was addicted for a while. It was horrible. I became unmotivated, fat from munchies, didn't talk to family or friends, always asked people I met if they wanted to smoke weed with me, was high during remote work, couldn't remember anything because my memory got very poor, had horrible acid reflux from all the smoke. Thankfully I was able to remember what life was like before weed. If you read https://www.reddit.com/r/leaves/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leaves/ you'll see just how many people have been smoking since they were teenagers and are not 30 or 40 and don't remember what life was like.
  - pengaru 10mo ago
    Munchies are pretty benign if you have enough sense to stock your home with healthy options like unprocessed foods and no sugary stuff. There is no benign volume of alcohol consumption. It's hard on your liver[0], causes cardiovascular disease[1], produces carcinogenic metabolites[2], it's a horrible drug... without even considering the high occurrence of abusive/violent drunks compared to weed. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_liver_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_liver_disease [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cardiovascular_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cardiovascular_dis... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cancer#Acetaldehyde https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cancer#Acetaldehyd...
    - aurareturn 10mo ago
      I'm not arguing that alcohol abuse is better than weed abuse. I'm arguing that alcohol abuse is bad but weed is much easier to get addicted to.
  - seec 10mo ago
    I do agree with most of what you say (acid reflux is inherent to smoking in general, though; it's not specific to weed), but the point is that it's only problematic if it becomes a habit. It doesn't have to. If you were drinking as much as you were smoking, you would probably fare even worse, and I don't think alcohol has a lower potential for abuse; in fact, it is likely worse because it is not as strongly socially stigmatized. Personally, I have rarely purchased weed myself, but I have consumed quite a bit because of many stoner friends. When they would share, I would never have the strength to refuse, but I could very much feel the impact the next day. But I think that if you can manage the consumption just like you would do with alcohol, it's mostly fine. If you smoke a joint once every few weeks, the impact on your life is unlikely to be that bad. Of course the hard part is managing that, but it's true for alcohol as well…
mrits 10mo ago
I prefer to get all that from alcohol
mkaic 10mo ago
Heavy and chronic usage of cannabis is associated with some of these things. I think "plenty of evidence that marijuana can cause {effects}" is somewhat overstating the consensus on the topic. Like many things in life, cannabis can be enjoyed responsibly or irresponsibly. Irresponsible use is inadvisable and can absolutely ruin your life and the lives of others around you. I see no issue with responsible use, though. All things in moderation. Alcohol, social media, and caffeine all come to mind as examples of other drugs that can be largely safe and enjoyable if used responsibly, but which become dangerous/harmful when moderation is abandoned. Signed, a responsible/occasional cannabis user :)
- fpauser 10mo ago
  Even responsible use of cannabis does not per se prevent cannabis psychosis.
  - AaronAPU 10mo ago
    Even never touching or being in the same room as cannabis does not per se prevent psychosis
Apocryphon 10mo ago
Don’t worry, some of those issues can be addressed with MDMA-assisted therapy and clinical psychedelic treatments.
oompydoompy74 10mo ago
I used weed to quit alcohol, lose 50 pounds, and lower my stress after dealing with nerds like you at BigCorp all day. Hush and let people enjoy things. We all end up as worm shit at the end of the day.
echelon 10mo ago
Lots of substances cause depression, loss of motivation, and lead to mental health issues. A large percentage of the population enjoys and venerates the activity. Not everyone is a type-A overachiever. Not everyone is a Puritan who treats their body as a temple. Some artistic folks thrive on it. I think it's okay to let people do what they want with their limited time here, but I also think it's okay to call out the potential consequences. We shouldn't be nannies, but we also shouldn't embrace irresponsibility. I'm something of a prude when it comes to myself, but I don't think I'm better than people who drink or do drugs. Sometimes it's not bad at all, sometimes it's devastating. But so are some academic and professional careers. Circumstance, genetics, situation, and volume all play a role. We really have no place intervening unless it has gotten out of control and damaged their lives.
vladms 10mo ago
Worded like that does not sound very convincing. A lot of things "can cause" the things mentioned (overwork, bad weather, etc.). Maybe the risk is high, but clearer numbers would help. There are countries were smoking marijuana is not that special (The Netherlands) and it is full of depressed people and is quite safe from traffic perspective.
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5upplied_demand 10mo ago
Better stop eating all that sugar.

by sam345 10mo ago

dingnuts 10mo ago

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techblueberry 10mo ago

You sound fun at parties.

labrador 10mo ago

This is a narrow minded take. I come from a family of Irish alcoholics. Most of the younger generation uses cannabis instead of drinking and avoids the devastation from alcohol that my generation and older experienced.

almosthere 10mo ago
If you don't like losing half your IQ points, then I guess this is a narrow minded take.
- labrador 10mo ago
  I guess we're a family of geniuses because with our IQ halved our younger members have gone into successful professional careers.
- jfindper 10mo ago
  Extreme exaggerations make for poor arguments.
aurareturn 10mo ago
Counter: I'm going to guess that it's easier to get addicted to weed than to alcohol due to price, pleasure, and no alcohol hang over. Kids especially can get addicted to weed much easier than alcohol in my opinion. I like alcohol but I see alcohol as a social drug. I never drank it alone. I also physically can't drink it too much due to hang over and complete inability to do anything useful after. During covid lockdowns, I was absolutely addicted to weed after I tried it. It had none of the draw backs of alcohol and even more pleasure in the beginning. I was addicted for a while. It was horrible. I became unmotivated, fat from munchies, didn't talk to family or friends, always asked people I met if they wanted to smoke weed with me, was high during remote work, couldn't remember anything because my memory got very poor, had horrible acid reflux from all the smoke. Thankfully I was able to remember what life was like before weed. If you read https://www.reddit.com/r/leaves/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leaves/ you'll see just how many people have been smoking since they were teenagers and are not 30 or 40 and don't remember what life was like.
- pengaru 10mo ago
  Munchies are pretty benign if you have enough sense to stock your home with healthy options like unprocessed foods and no sugary stuff. There is no benign volume of alcohol consumption. It's hard on your liver[0], causes cardiovascular disease[1], produces carcinogenic metabolites[2], it's a horrible drug... without even considering the high occurrence of abusive/violent drunks compared to weed. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_liver_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_liver_disease [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cardiovascular_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cardiovascular_dis... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cancer#Acetaldehyde https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cancer#Acetaldehyd...
  - aurareturn 10mo ago
    I'm not arguing that alcohol abuse is better than weed abuse. I'm arguing that alcohol abuse is bad but weed is much easier to get addicted to.
- seec 10mo ago
  I do agree with most of what you say (acid reflux is inherent to smoking in general, though; it's not specific to weed), but the point is that it's only problematic if it becomes a habit. It doesn't have to. If you were drinking as much as you were smoking, you would probably fare even worse, and I don't think alcohol has a lower potential for abuse; in fact, it is likely worse because it is not as strongly socially stigmatized. Personally, I have rarely purchased weed myself, but I have consumed quite a bit because of many stoner friends. When they would share, I would never have the strength to refuse, but I could very much feel the impact the next day. But I think that if you can manage the consumption just like you would do with alcohol, it's mostly fine. If you smoke a joint once every few weeks, the impact on your life is unlikely to be that bad. Of course the hard part is managing that, but it's true for alcohol as well…

mrits 10mo ago

I prefer to get all that from alcohol

mkaic 10mo ago

Heavy and chronic usage of cannabis is associated with some of these things. I think "plenty of evidence that marijuana can cause {effects}" is somewhat overstating the consensus on the topic. Like many things in life, cannabis can be enjoyed responsibly or irresponsibly. Irresponsible use is inadvisable and can absolutely ruin your life and the lives of others around you. I see no issue with responsible use, though. All things in moderation. Alcohol, social media, and caffeine all come to mind as examples of other drugs that can be largely safe and enjoyable if used responsibly, but which become dangerous/harmful when moderation is abandoned. Signed, a responsible/occasional cannabis user :)

fpauser 10mo ago
Even responsible use of cannabis does not per se prevent cannabis psychosis.
- AaronAPU 10mo ago
  Even never touching or being in the same room as cannabis does not per se prevent psychosis

Apocryphon 10mo ago

Don’t worry, some of those issues can be addressed with MDMA-assisted therapy and clinical psychedelic treatments.

oompydoompy74 10mo ago

I used weed to quit alcohol, lose 50 pounds, and lower my stress after dealing with nerds like you at BigCorp all day. Hush and let people enjoy things. We all end up as worm shit at the end of the day.

echelon 10mo ago

Lots of substances cause depression, loss of motivation, and lead to mental health issues. A large percentage of the population enjoys and venerates the activity. Not everyone is a type-A overachiever. Not everyone is a Puritan who treats their body as a temple. Some artistic folks thrive on it. I think it's okay to let people do what they want with their limited time here, but I also think it's okay to call out the potential consequences. We shouldn't be nannies, but we also shouldn't embrace irresponsibility. I'm something of a prude when it comes to myself, but I don't think I'm better than people who drink or do drugs. Sometimes it's not bad at all, sometimes it's devastating. But so are some academic and professional careers. Circumstance, genetics, situation, and volume all play a role. We really have no place intervening unless it has gotten out of control and damaged their lives.

vladms 10mo ago

Worded like that does not sound very convincing. A lot of things "can cause" the things mentioned (overwork, bad weather, etc.). Maybe the risk is high, but clearer numbers would help. There are countries were smoking marijuana is not that special (The Netherlands) and it is full of depressed people and is quite safe from traffic perspective.

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5upplied_demand 10mo ago

Better stop eating all that sugar.