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I'm not sure why we don't just make a law that parents must set parental controls on their kids' devices. We do this for most other things.

by dbbk 10mo ago

SunshineTheCat 10mo ago
We should then make laws that parents must tell their kids to clean their room. Next we can make laws that parents must tell their children to eat their veggies. What about chore laws? Teeth brushing laws? Stop arguing with your sister laws! More laws!
- dom96 10mo ago
  Honestly, there should be more laws on how children should be brought up.
- bennyp101 10mo ago
  There's a giant difference between stopping kids having full reign on what is now essentially the whole world of information - and instant access to strangers, than there is making sure they eat healthy, help out, and don't have bad teeth .... but I'm sure you know that :)
  - SunshineTheCat 10mo ago
    The only difference is in parents who raise and protect their kids without needing a law...and people who want government to be mom and do it for them and are willing to make everyone else suffer for it :)
- deleted 10mo ago
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- 1718627440 10mo ago
  > What about chore laws? I know that was snarky, but that already exists in Germany, since the introduction of the civil law book two centuries ago. Children are legally required to do chores. Actually this is quite important, as otherwise it would be an adult requiring minors to do unpaid work, which is illegal.
Tostino 10mo ago
What is the punishment you want to give to parents who don't? That's the implication of making a law.
- bennyp101 10mo ago
  They get blacklisted from being able to have internet
  - michaelmrose 10mo ago
    How do they work find and keep a job keep up with their kids school and keep government benefits. It doesn't matter that you could do those things before the internet the normal and often only or only practical flow involves the net. Counter offer we keep letting people manage their own kids' shit and they can control access to the degree they deem appropriate
    - bennyp101 10mo ago
      Whilst I do kinda agree, I was just replying to the parent about what the punishment would probably be :) But the problem is that people are NOT managing their own kids' shit, and now we have to have things put in place to try and counter that - and end up overreaching. I'm more than happy to educate mine on how to be safe online, and to come and talk to us about stuff, other aren't, or are not aware they need to. Perhaps buying internet means you have to sign a waiver saying that if anything happens because of the internet then that is on the parent(s)...
      - michaelmrose 10mo ago
        Such a waiver would be equally insane given the fraud and malfeasance that goes on every day it would be like signing a waiver saying whatever happens in the world is your fault for a drivers licence. Instead how about we simply continue to make reasonable laws regarding behaviour and holding individual people and companies responsible when they violate the law. Whilst we are at it we can keep content filtering for pre teens and imposed by parents and accept that teens are going to figure out how to get to the real internet at some point.
quentindanjou 10mo ago
Because the main purpose of these regulations isn't protecting the kids. It's surveillance control. An easy way to better kill online anonymity.
- BizarroLand 10mo ago
  Yep. Do it long enough and there won't be a single plebeian who has the slightest expectation of not being under surveillance.
  - keernan 10mo ago
    For several years now, I have lived my life under the presumption that whatever I say on the telephone, email, or text has been downloaded and preserved somewhere.
jraby3 10mo ago
It's harder than you think to manage all the devices especially if you aren't especially tech savvy. There are also a ton of tricks and workarounds it's super frustrating.
Spivak 10mo ago
I'm really glad you're not in charge of making laws. The one thing you can do as a parent is override most age restrictions. You can give your child alcohol, you can take them to R rated movies, you can let them watch NC-17 movies at home, you can buy them M video games, you can just straight up buy them porn. But then parents have a legal requirement to restrict their child's internet access to whatever the government happens to approve of—utter nonsense.
- dbbk 10mo ago
  I mean there's a pretty simple comparison here - it's illegal to not send your children to school. Why do we send children to school? So they are educated and developed into functional young adult members of society. You could make the argument that access for kids to the Internet, which has all of the world's information and connectivity, should be regulated in a similar fashion.
  - mbg721 10mo ago
    As a parent, I was shocked how little that's actually true, at least in some US states. Home-schooling can mean sending a copy of your curriculum to your school district and you're good to go.
ipython 10mo ago
how about we start with a law that requires tech companies to provide useful parental controls? Can we please stop blaming parents??
- nickthegreek 10mo ago
  > Can we please stop blaming parents?? No? They are surely somewhere in the top 3 influences that can actually have a meaningful difference here.
  - ipython 10mo ago
    Do you have kids? I'm not being glib. Yes, I have set up technical guardrails. But when your kid needs Internet access to do their homework, and you forget to turn off the WiFi to their device after they're done... then they sneak that Chromebook to their room and watch videos all night, you lose. When you have a extra phone that was sitting on your desk that you were preparing to resell and your kid sneaks that to their room to watch a few hundred YouTube shorts before you catch him, you lose. When you have parental controls set up on your wifi network, but it's trivial to shut the wifi off and use the cellular network instead, you lose. When your friends all have personal cell phones but you don't, you lose. Parents have their hands full enough. Make it easier for parents, don't poke at them with a pointy stick.
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    - nickthegreek 10mo ago
      > But when your kid needs Internet access to do their homework, and you forget to turn off the WiFi to their device after they're done... then they sneak that Chromebook to their room and watch videos all night, you lose. You are at fault. > When you have a extra phone that was sitting on your desk that you were preparing to resell and your kid sneaks that to their room to watch a few hundred YouTube shorts before you catch him, you lose. You are at fault. > When you have parental controls set up on your wifi network, but it's trivial to shut the wifi off and use the cellular network instead, you lose. This can be controlled via Parental Controls on iOS via Screen Time. If you chose not to, you are at fault. > When your friends all have personal cell phones but you don't, you lose. Not sure what you want anyone to do about this. I recognize that life isnt fair. > Parents have their hands full enough. Make it easier for parents, don't poke at them with a pointy stick. No one is arguing against this. They are arguing how to implement this.

I'm not sure why we don't just make a law that parents must set parental controls on their kids' devices. We do this for most other things.

by dbbk 10mo ago

I'm not sure why we don't just make a law that parents must set parental controls on their kids' devices. We do this for most other things.

SunshineTheCat 10mo ago

We should then make laws that parents must tell their kids to clean their room. Next we can make laws that parents must tell their children to eat their veggies. What about chore laws? Teeth brushing laws? Stop arguing with your sister laws! More laws!

dom96 10mo ago
Honestly, there should be more laws on how children should be brought up.
bennyp101 10mo ago
There's a giant difference between stopping kids having full reign on what is now essentially the whole world of information - and instant access to strangers, than there is making sure they eat healthy, help out, and don't have bad teeth .... but I'm sure you know that :)
- SunshineTheCat 10mo ago
  The only difference is in parents who raise and protect their kids without needing a law...and people who want government to be mom and do it for them and are willing to make everyone else suffer for it :)
deleted 10mo ago
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1718627440 10mo ago
> What about chore laws? I know that was snarky, but that already exists in Germany, since the introduction of the civil law book two centuries ago. Children are legally required to do chores. Actually this is quite important, as otherwise it would be an adult requiring minors to do unpaid work, which is illegal.

Tostino 10mo ago

What is the punishment you want to give to parents who don't? That's the implication of making a law.

bennyp101 10mo ago
They get blacklisted from being able to have internet
- michaelmrose 10mo ago
  How do they work find and keep a job keep up with their kids school and keep government benefits. It doesn't matter that you could do those things before the internet the normal and often only or only practical flow involves the net. Counter offer we keep letting people manage their own kids' shit and they can control access to the degree they deem appropriate
  - bennyp101 10mo ago
    Whilst I do kinda agree, I was just replying to the parent about what the punishment would probably be :) But the problem is that people are NOT managing their own kids' shit, and now we have to have things put in place to try and counter that - and end up overreaching. I'm more than happy to educate mine on how to be safe online, and to come and talk to us about stuff, other aren't, or are not aware they need to. Perhaps buying internet means you have to sign a waiver saying that if anything happens because of the internet then that is on the parent(s)...
    - michaelmrose 10mo ago
      Such a waiver would be equally insane given the fraud and malfeasance that goes on every day it would be like signing a waiver saying whatever happens in the world is your fault for a drivers licence. Instead how about we simply continue to make reasonable laws regarding behaviour and holding individual people and companies responsible when they violate the law. Whilst we are at it we can keep content filtering for pre teens and imposed by parents and accept that teens are going to figure out how to get to the real internet at some point.

quentindanjou 10mo ago

Because the main purpose of these regulations isn't protecting the kids. It's surveillance control. An easy way to better kill online anonymity.

BizarroLand 10mo ago
Yep. Do it long enough and there won't be a single plebeian who has the slightest expectation of not being under surveillance.
- keernan 10mo ago
  For several years now, I have lived my life under the presumption that whatever I say on the telephone, email, or text has been downloaded and preserved somewhere.

jraby3 10mo ago

It's harder than you think to manage all the devices especially if you aren't especially tech savvy. There are also a ton of tricks and workarounds it's super frustrating.

Spivak 10mo ago

I'm really glad you're not in charge of making laws. The one thing you can do as a parent is override most age restrictions. You can give your child alcohol, you can take them to R rated movies, you can let them watch NC-17 movies at home, you can buy them M video games, you can just straight up buy them porn. But then parents have a legal requirement to restrict their child's internet access to whatever the government happens to approve of—utter nonsense.

dbbk 10mo ago
I mean there's a pretty simple comparison here - it's illegal to not send your children to school. Why do we send children to school? So they are educated and developed into functional young adult members of society. You could make the argument that access for kids to the Internet, which has all of the world's information and connectivity, should be regulated in a similar fashion.
- mbg721 10mo ago
  As a parent, I was shocked how little that's actually true, at least in some US states. Home-schooling can mean sending a copy of your curriculum to your school district and you're good to go.

ipython 10mo ago

how about we start with a law that requires tech companies to provide useful parental controls? Can we please stop blaming parents??

nickthegreek 10mo ago
> Can we please stop blaming parents?? No? They are surely somewhere in the top 3 influences that can actually have a meaningful difference here.
- ipython 10mo ago
  Do you have kids? I'm not being glib. Yes, I have set up technical guardrails. But when your kid needs Internet access to do their homework, and you forget to turn off the WiFi to their device after they're done... then they sneak that Chromebook to their room and watch videos all night, you lose. When you have a extra phone that was sitting on your desk that you were preparing to resell and your kid sneaks that to their room to watch a few hundred YouTube shorts before you catch him, you lose. When you have parental controls set up on your wifi network, but it's trivial to shut the wifi off and use the cellular network instead, you lose. When your friends all have personal cell phones but you don't, you lose. Parents have their hands full enough. Make it easier for parents, don't poke at them with a pointy stick.
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  - nickthegreek 10mo ago
    > But when your kid needs Internet access to do their homework, and you forget to turn off the WiFi to their device after they're done... then they sneak that Chromebook to their room and watch videos all night, you lose. You are at fault. > When you have a extra phone that was sitting on your desk that you were preparing to resell and your kid sneaks that to their room to watch a few hundred YouTube shorts before you catch him, you lose. You are at fault. > When you have parental controls set up on your wifi network, but it's trivial to shut the wifi off and use the cellular network instead, you lose. This can be controlled via Parental Controls on iOS via Screen Time. If you chose not to, you are at fault. > When your friends all have personal cell phones but you don't, you lose. Not sure what you want anyone to do about this. I recognize that life isnt fair. > Parents have their hands full enough. Make it easier for parents, don't poke at them with a pointy stick. No one is arguing against this. They are arguing how to implement this.