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This comment is pretty funny to me, as a car guy. What’s there to service? It’s a software issue.

by Robdel12 10mo ago

zamadatix 10mo ago
Presumably, but you don't really known until you pay to take it in for service and they tell you there is nothing wrong but they don't have a fix (gee, great experience). On the "know it's software" side e.g. I had what appeared to be random issues with audio crackling on my PC I assumed was software/driver related, it turned out there was a faulty USB hub causing an issues for the whole bus but it was just most apparent in the audio device. Stuff like "Doors refuse to open" is vague enough it could be a similar kind of issue which needs physical service/replacement rather than just a software update, especially if other buttons are triggering completely separate actions with the windows. Or it could very well be 100% software issues, which could be more apparent with additional details like "only does it after transitioning from this screen or pressing things in this order" type problems.
WaxProlix 10mo ago
As a car guy you should know that there's tech in cars these days. Or do you calibrate everything from tpms monitors to re pointing/tunes in your garage? If something's wrong with your car's head unit firmware or android auto connection or whatever, of course you'd have a technician look at it?
- Robdel12 10mo ago
  > Or do you calibrate everything from tpms monitors to re pointing/tunes in your garage? Pretty much, yeah. I race SCCA and build race cars. Exactly why I want nothing to do with these, you don’t own it. You’re leasing the hardware that’s hogtied to the software.
  - WaxProlix 10mo ago
    Oh man, you're in for a bad time then, as pretty much everything - yes even amateur racing cars - has software in it now, and you don't own any of it. As a car guy, it surprises me you weren't aware of this trend yet but I guess we all find out sooner or later. But hey - maybe that '89 Carrera will keep on trucking for a few more decades though - good luck!
    - igor47 10mo ago
      You're not wrong, but I am still sad about this trend. Especially the "you don't own any of it" part. I always think about this: https://theoutline.com/post/1398/why-can-t-karen-sandler-get-the-source-code-for-her-pacemaker https://theoutline.com/post/1398/why-can-t-karen-sandler-get...
    - Robdel12 10mo ago
      I love these replies, hahah. You really think I’m not aware of the software that’s running my 2017 Shelby? The difference is (you know this, I think you’re being purposely obtuse) it’s never connected to the internet, it’s never getting updates, and it’s not a complete car OS that locks you out of doing anything. I think you might be the one needing the luck

This comment is pretty funny to me, as a car guy. What’s there to service? It’s a software issue.

Presumably, but you don't really known until you pay to take it in for service and they tell you there is nothing wrong but they don't have a fix (gee, great experience). On the "know it's software" side e.g. I had what appeared to be random issues with audio crackling on my PC I assumed was software/driver related, it turned out there was a faulty USB hub causing an issues for the whole bus but it was just most apparent in the audio device. Stuff like "Doors refuse to open" is vague enough it could be a similar kind of issue which needs physical service/replacement rather than just a software update, especially if other buttons are triggering completely separate actions with the windows. Or it could very well be 100% software issues, which could be more apparent with additional details like "only does it after transitioning from this screen or pressing things in this order" type problems.

WaxProlix 10mo ago

As a car guy you should know that there's tech in cars these days. Or do you calibrate everything from tpms monitors to re pointing/tunes in your garage? If something's wrong with your car's head unit firmware or android auto connection or whatever, of course you'd have a technician look at it?

Robdel12 10mo ago
> Or do you calibrate everything from tpms monitors to re pointing/tunes in your garage? Pretty much, yeah. I race SCCA and build race cars. Exactly why I want nothing to do with these, you don’t own it. You’re leasing the hardware that’s hogtied to the software.
- WaxProlix 10mo ago
  Oh man, you're in for a bad time then, as pretty much everything - yes even amateur racing cars - has software in it now, and you don't own any of it. As a car guy, it surprises me you weren't aware of this trend yet but I guess we all find out sooner or later. But hey - maybe that '89 Carrera will keep on trucking for a few more decades though - good luck!
  - igor47 10mo ago
    You're not wrong, but I am still sad about this trend. Especially the "you don't own any of it" part. I always think about this: https://theoutline.com/post/1398/why-can-t-karen-sandler-get-the-source-code-for-her-pacemaker https://theoutline.com/post/1398/why-can-t-karen-sandler-get...
  - Robdel12 10mo ago
    I love these replies, hahah. You really think I’m not aware of the software that’s running my 2017 Shelby? The difference is (you know this, I think you’re being purposely obtuse) it’s never connected to the internet, it’s never getting updates, and it’s not a complete car OS that locks you out of doing anything. I think you might be the one needing the luck