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like radio in the 1920s?

gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
On what axis was it polarizing.. it was maybe a social media for the well-connected, so.. elitist vs populist? I've come to appreciate Sixto over Bob Dylan, because he reminds me of some vital "(in)efficacies" that I can see(?) in the participants here :) Lagniappe (Joan's dad): https://pubs.aip.org/aapt/ajp/article-abstract/28/3/254/1036625/Graphical-Derivation-of-the-Inverse-Square-Law-of?redirectedFrom=fulltext https://pubs.aip.org/aapt/ajp/article-abstract/28/3/254/1036...
- aebtebeten 10mo ago
  Oops, I was a decade off in my primary referent: 1930s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels#:~:text=Goebbels%20was%20particularly,called%20Volksempfänger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels#:~:text=Goebbe... but sounds like 1920s may be fine overall? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_public_relations#:~:text=he%20authored%20several,Engineering%20of%20Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_public_relations#:~... (at least Bernays, whatever he may have advocated about undermining source attribution, did not seem to advocate actual sock puppets?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Third_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Third_parties
  - aebtebeten 10mo ago
    from Bernays' 1928 book: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.275553/page/n153/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.275553/page/n1... > The radio is at present one of the most important tools of the propagandist. What you couldn't do with radio is to triangulate targets via associated clusters; they used snail mail to do that.
  - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
    >sock puppets Those might soon become the drones of social (elite v "elite" culture) wars! (Also occurred to me that Monotheism has been unreasonably effective against an other kind of sock puppetry. Hierophants. Had to get inventive :) I asked Gemini to argue that Bernays was a populist (i.e. against the usual diagnosis): He who seeks to manipulate public opinion must always heed it. (1923) Started soft? Becoming more of a hard-line elitist later? TIL the Daily Mirror used to be a feminist organ
    - aebtebeten 10mo ago
      An "always heed it" line is the closing sentence of: "MANIPULATING PUBLIC OPINION: THE WHY AND THE HOW" https://ia800201.us.archive.org/1/items/AmericanJournalOfSociology336958971EdwardL.BernaysArticleManipulatingPublicOpini/%28American%20Journal%20of%20Sociology%2C%2033%286%29_%20958-971%29%20Edward%20L.%20Bernays-%5BArticle%5D%20Manipulating%20Public%20Opinion_%20The%20Why%20and%20The%20How%20%281928%29_text.pdf https://ia800201.us.archive.org/1/items/AmericanJournalOfSoc... which seems overall to argue less that one should respect public opinion in itself, than that, in order to move the public from A to B, one must have not just B in mind, but also A, in order to connive an appropriate vector along AB. EDIT: atm I'm not finding that sentence in 1923's "Crystallizing Public Opinion" https://www.gutenberg.org/files/61364/61364-h/61364-h.htm https://www.gutenberg.org/files/61364/61364-h/61364-h.htm
      - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
        Haha yes I remembered it but mixed up the titles. (-10 for care, conscientiousness) Preceding sentence though But at the core of this great heterogeneous body of public opinion is a tenacious will to live, to progress, to move in the direction of ultimate social and individual benefit. Hints at something more than token respect (of a wild beast to be tamed). Gemini concurs though that overall Bernays didn't think elites should have anything to gain from heeding public opinion beyond sharpening their technique. (The public as an object, and not a peer)

On what axis was it polarizing.. it was maybe a social media for the well-connected, so.. elitist vs populist? I've come to appreciate Sixto over Bob Dylan, because he reminds me of some vital "(in)efficacies" that I can see(?) in the participants here :) Lagniappe (Joan's dad): https://pubs.aip.org/aapt/ajp/article-abstract/28/3/254/1036625/Graphical-Derivation-of-the-Inverse-Square-Law-of?redirectedFrom=fulltext https://pubs.aip.org/aapt/ajp/article-abstract/28/3/254/1036...

aebtebeten 10mo ago
Oops, I was a decade off in my primary referent: 1930s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels#:~:text=Goebbels%20was%20particularly,called%20Volksempfänger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels#:~:text=Goebbe... but sounds like 1920s may be fine overall? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_public_relations#:~:text=he%20authored%20several,Engineering%20of%20Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_public_relations#:~... (at least Bernays, whatever he may have advocated about undermining source attribution, did not seem to advocate actual sock puppets?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Third_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Third_parties
- aebtebeten 10mo ago
  from Bernays' 1928 book: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.275553/page/n153/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.275553/page/n1... > The radio is at present one of the most important tools of the propagandist. What you couldn't do with radio is to triangulate targets via associated clusters; they used snail mail to do that.
- gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
  >sock puppets Those might soon become the drones of social (elite v "elite" culture) wars! (Also occurred to me that Monotheism has been unreasonably effective against an other kind of sock puppetry. Hierophants. Had to get inventive :) I asked Gemini to argue that Bernays was a populist (i.e. against the usual diagnosis): He who seeks to manipulate public opinion must always heed it. (1923) Started soft? Becoming more of a hard-line elitist later? TIL the Daily Mirror used to be a feminist organ
  - aebtebeten 10mo ago
    An "always heed it" line is the closing sentence of: "MANIPULATING PUBLIC OPINION: THE WHY AND THE HOW" https://ia800201.us.archive.org/1/items/AmericanJournalOfSociology336958971EdwardL.BernaysArticleManipulatingPublicOpini/%28American%20Journal%20of%20Sociology%2C%2033%286%29_%20958-971%29%20Edward%20L.%20Bernays-%5BArticle%5D%20Manipulating%20Public%20Opinion_%20The%20Why%20and%20The%20How%20%281928%29_text.pdf https://ia800201.us.archive.org/1/items/AmericanJournalOfSoc... which seems overall to argue less that one should respect public opinion in itself, than that, in order to move the public from A to B, one must have not just B in mind, but also A, in order to connive an appropriate vector along AB. EDIT: atm I'm not finding that sentence in 1923's "Crystallizing Public Opinion" https://www.gutenberg.org/files/61364/61364-h/61364-h.htm https://www.gutenberg.org/files/61364/61364-h/61364-h.htm
    - gsf_emergency_6 10mo ago
      Haha yes I remembered it but mixed up the titles. (-10 for care, conscientiousness) Preceding sentence though But at the core of this great heterogeneous body of public opinion is a tenacious will to live, to progress, to move in the direction of ultimate social and individual benefit. Hints at something more than token respect (of a wild beast to be tamed). Gemini concurs though that overall Bernays didn't think elites should have anything to gain from heeding public opinion beyond sharpening their technique. (The public as an object, and not a peer)