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It would be impossible to do without taking breaks, as explained in the article: > Due to visa limits, Bushby has had to break up his walk. In Europe, he can s

It would be impossible to do without taking breaks, as explained in the article: > Due to visa limits, Bushby has had to break up his walk. In Europe, he can stay for only 90 days before leaving for 90, so he flies to Mexico to rest and then returns to resume the route. Given that he literally swam across the Caspian Sea in order to avoid Russia and Iran because of legal issues, nevermind bring imprisoned in Russia due to what sounded like bureaucratic BS, it's more impressive than I first thought.

reisse 11mo ago
From Wiki: > They were detained by Russian border troop officers while they were crossing the Russian border near the Chukotkan village of Uelen, for not entering Russia at a correct port of entry. Illegal border crossing is absolutely not bureaucratic BS in any country.
- guerrilla 11mo ago
  That depends on your values. I think it's bureaucratic BS in every country. The world hasn't been like this forever, and still isn't like this for other animals.
  - mnky9800n 11mo ago
    That would be amazing if some country tried to enforce visa rules on animals.
    - guerrilla 11mo ago
      They do actually, for example with swine in Denmark. They've built fences for that purpose specifically.
      - mnky9800n 11mo ago
        Do they have passports? Like how do they know if the pig is danish or German?
        guerrilla 11mo ago
        I think many are tagged, but otherwise they have a lot of surveillance and fences. They probably track them after breeches as well. The point is to control disease.
  - uhdhr 11mo ago
    If you enter a bear's den, especially if it has cubs, the bear will likely attack you. If you enter the territory of a swan, especially during nesting season, the swan might attack you. If a foreign object enters some animal's body, the immune system may attack that object.[0] Allergy might be related to the immune system misidentifying allergens. Squirrels can be surprisingly territorial. Ants have wars. [1] This is not surprising, since the consequences of territory being compromised can be severe. For instance, in this case [2], the territory was compromised through deception, like pretending to be one of them, and it led to the severe weakening or death of the whole colony through the mass devouring of their offspring. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_body_reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_body_reaction [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_ants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_ants [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/123ke8f/caterpillar_pretends_to_be_a_queen_ant_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/123ke...
    - yawpitch 11mo ago
      So you’re saying we are no better than animals, and shouldn’t aspire to be?
      - deleted 11mo ago
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      - _heimdall 11mo ago
        We are animals, we shouldn't try to avoid that as if its a bad thing.
        yawpitch 11mo ago
        We should be, then, at least equal to animals in our behavior, and should also aspire to improve on them.
      - falcor84 11mo ago
        It was clearly a response to the grandparent's "... isn't like this for other animals". It's a fine thing to aspire to be better, but we just shouldn't be claiming that human behavior is any way less natural than that of all other animals.
  - MrBuddyCasino 11mo ago
    Humans and animals enforce their borders since millennia. The idea that borders are unimportant is very very recent. That is to say, its commie gobbledygook.
    - uhdhr 11mo ago
      I am not convinced that the idea is recent, or rather, related ideas are not recent, going back thousands of years. It can be extremely complex, to put it very mildly. How well people that put their trust in some of those ideas fare, can likewise be an extremely complex topic, and can also be political. In some cases in some ways some of them might have fared well, in some other cases in some ways, maybe less so.
      - MrBuddyCasino 11mo ago
        A group of men crossing the border into another country was (usually) automatically considered invaders if its size exceeded a certain number. Eg Iberian Peninsula (Reconquista and later): Foreign parties >10 armed men could not cross without permission between christians and muslims. Chinese frontier zones, Scythians, Huns, Mongols, Turks etc all had similar rules. If you want to go back further, then Assyria, Egypt, Hittites, Greece had such limits.
        uhdhr 11mo ago
        You are correct that there are many examples of border control mechanisms, in different levels and ways. Maybe even usually the vast majority for many levels and ways. Some nations, countries or groups, or other levels, did play with some of those mentioned ideas of less border control mechanisms in some ways or levels, also going back thousands of years. Countries that were not successful with border control mechanisms, sometimes ceased to exist. But there are many different levels and ways, and the whole topic is, to put it very mildly, extremely complex.
    - yawpitch 11mo ago
      Right, well we know which side of the enclosure of the commons you for some unaccountable reason assume you’d have born in.
  - 15155 11mo ago
    > The world hasn't been like this forever People didn't receive handouts from governments in centuries past for just showing up and performing no contributory function. Kill all entitlements and let's open em' back up! > still isn't like this for other animals What reality are you living in where countless animal species aren't territorial? This is common sense.
- pksebben 11mo ago
  This might be a little broad for most, but I find the whole concept of nationalism and border sovereignty kinda tired. Who cares? We were nomads before we settled in cities, and it's only the designs of the empowered few that ever made the idea compulsory. I'm saying this as someone who enlisted in the defense of said nations once. Most of the structures that make up a country these days are for the birds - let a guy hike for chrissake. I also lived where I could see Tijuana from my back yard and all the pearl clutching and self-fanning over "illegal immigrants" is a giant crock of blustery nonsense. We have bigger problems than normal folks just trying to live their lives.
  - godsinhisheaven 11mo ago
    The whole concept of nationalism and border sovereignty has been with us for essentially all of human history, and I don't see it petering out anytime soon. Plenty of people care, for all sorts of reasons, many of which I would say, are good!
    - cindyllm 11mo ago
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    - pksebben 11mo ago
      That's partially true; the bit about borders and human history (so long as you sequester 'history' to 'recorded history') - but nationalism is actually newer than you'd think, and there were human societies for thousands of years before there were borders. More recent if you go by the current definition of border (formalized, surveyed borders are also relatively modern). Is nationalism going to peter out? No, of course not. Do some people care for reasons that are important to them? Sure, I don't want to tell anyone how to feel. I am just another jerk with an opinion like the rest of us. But if you were to ask me, it's take it or leave it. I'd be more than happy to see free movement in the world. Just another set of rules I'm not using.
      - bluebarbet 11mo ago
        Yes, hard borders are far more recent than people think. As late as the First World War you could travel the world without so much as a passport. But: back then only a handful of very rich people had the means to do that, and taxation and social protection were much lower than today. Those things are related. They (IMO of course!) are what make borders a pragmatic necessity.
- JKCalhoun 11mo ago
  "not entering Russia at a correct port of entry" I'm laughing at the lack of nuance in laws in general. Some guy crossed the Bering Straight on foot as part of a 27 year quest to walk around the world and the law makes no exception. I remember as a teen being hauled into a police station because a friend and I had been exploring the storm drains ("sewers") with a home-made flame thrower (okay, so the movie "Alien" had recently come out… Yeah, we left the flamethrower behind in the sewer when we popped our heads out and saw police). Someone in the neighborhood had called the police because she had seen us going down the manhole opening. (The police said the report came through that some kids had "fallen" into the sewers.) So I'm sitting in the police station with good cop and bad cop sitting there musing over my case. "How about 'Failure to use a sidewalk when a sidewalk was available'," bad cop said as he read from a book he was paging through. That got a laugh all around… They let me off after an hour or so of this.
  - BryantD 11mo ago
    To be completely fair, Russia did decide to make an exception in this case, although it took a couple of months (during which Bushby was detained) to get there. I am a little bit torn in this case. From our vantage point it's obvious that Bushby wasn't running an elaborate long scam to get into Russia. In the moment... I don't know, former UK special forces guy? Long history of espionage between UK and Russia? Two months seems too long; it's also not as easy as your case of a teenager in the sewer.
    - JKCalhoun 11mo ago
      I saw that. Six months (if I recall) is kind of a long time…
- hn_throwaway_99 11mo ago
  Fair enough, but I interpreted "for not entering Russia at a correct port of entry" as he had a visa to enter the country, but he just didn't land at a recognized "port of entry", which given he walked/swam across the Being Strait, is unsurprising. But I don't know the full details of the situation.
- LorenPechtel 11mo ago
  Yeah, although it used to be that if you were legal to enter the US you actually could do it anywhere, just report to the local officials as soon as practical. That's still how ships work, you have to enter a country's territorial waters before you can speak to an official. Neither the US nor Canada does that now, effectively slicing the Pacific Coast Trail at the border. And now we have the scumbags for no good reason blocking off access to the southern terminus of the Continental Divide Trail. That fence isn't going to stop someone trying to sneak into the country!
paganel 11mo ago
> Given that he literally swam across the Caspian Sea in order Why didn't he take the ferry there?
- anentropic 11mo ago
  I guess it didn't fit with the goal of 'walking' around the world, probably wanted to avoid motorised transport
- falcor84 11mo ago
  > At the start of his quest, Bushby made two rules for himself, neither of which he has broken. > “I can’t use transport to advance, and I can’t go home until I arrive on foot,” Bushby said. “If I get stuck somewhere, I have to figure it out.”
- throw-the-towel 11mo ago
  The only ferry in the Caspian I know goes to Turkmenistan, which is North Korea-level strict with issuing visas.
em-bee 11mo ago
In Europe, he can stay for only 90 days that doesn't make any sense for two reasons. first, he only entered the EU in september this year, so either the 90 days are not up yet or he should be in mexico now. is he? but why would he fly to mexico when he could just go to the UK? but more importantly, he is a british citizen. getting a visa to walk through europe, especially now that he already has a track record of walking for so long should really not be an issue.
- nly 11mo ago
  There is no Europe wide long stay non-working visa for UK citizens. 90 in 180 days is the Schengen visitor option, no?
  - slow_typist 11mo ago
    90 days within any period of 180 days visa free. Everything else is bureaucracy … https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa-information-2441822 https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa-information-2441822
- ritzaco 11mo ago
  have you tried? I'm a South African living in Europe and visas are a nightmare. Many europeans have never had to apply for a real visa in their life (I don't mean the online ones, or the apply on arrival ones, I mean the ones where you submit a 20 page form of personal details and hotel bookings and letters from friends you'll be staying with and bank statements and a full travel history) and they assume that I'm just making life difficult for myself by not doing some simpler option that they assume must exist. I don't know about what visa options UK citizens have for the EU since brexit, but I'd be surprised it was as simple as "I feel like spending more than the 90 days I get".
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  - em-bee 11mo ago
    I'd be surprised it was as simple as "I feel like spending more than the 90 days I get" why? that's exactly what i think he should be able to do. it's not like he spent 27 years walking across the planet in order to then misrepresent what he wants to do in the EU.
anticodon 11mo ago
He crossed the border illegally and was carrying a firearm with him. Maybe it's ok in the USA to cross the border illegally carrying a firearm with you, but I assure you it's not legal in all the other countries in the world and penalty would be very severe.
- _yb2s 11mo ago
  > Maybe it's ok in the USA to cross the border illegally carrying a firearm By definition anything illegal is illegal, and no, you cannot bring a firearm across the border into the USA without a paperwork process.
  - theultdev 11mo ago
    He said "it's okay" not that it's not illegal. Of course it's illegal. But it used to be open season on the US border was the point. There were so many crossings, this dude would have gone unnoticed. Carrying or not. Nowadays not so much.
    - _yb2s 11mo ago
      I crossed the border from Mexico into the USA towing a large trailer a few weeks ago and was waived right across with no questions or inspections. All that has changed recently is an uptick in racial profiling at the border.
      - theultdev 11mo ago
        You crossed legally. You didn't swim or walk through the desert. They have xray scanners, dogs, and many other methods to inspect vehicles. You may not have even noticed you were inspected. Nothing racial about it, many races from many nations crossed illegally. It's about legality, not race.
        _yb2s 11mo ago
        No, the scanners and imaging equipment do not fit large trailers like I was towing, so I had to bypass all of the equipment to a manual inspection area, but then they waived me through. Racial profiling - as well as other types of profiling - are absolutely a major factor in US border enforcement, and are currently done openly and legally. Your odds of being extensively searched are astronomically higher if you are crossing legally but have an accent or darker skin tone. ICE and border patrol openly use racial profiling, and recently won a supreme court case Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo allowing them to continue doing so. They wouldn't fight all the way to the supreme court and win for the right to racially profile people if they didn't even do it! Moreover, the job of a border agent, especially under the current administration actively seeks out and recruits employees that are attracted to the idea of a career that allows and encourages xenophobia, bullying, and racism. Sadistic people like Greg Bovino, who revels in fascist imagery and illegal brutality rise to top leadership positions. The recruitment materials for these jobs use white nationalist and white supremacists imagery and slogans- often using images stolen verbatim from white supremacist websites and forums.

reisse 11mo ago

From Wiki: > They were detained by Russian border troop officers while they were crossing the Russian border near the Chukotkan village of Uelen, for not entering Russia at a correct port of entry. Illegal border crossing is absolutely not bureaucratic BS in any country.

guerrilla 11mo ago
That depends on your values. I think it's bureaucratic BS in every country. The world hasn't been like this forever, and still isn't like this for other animals.
- mnky9800n 11mo ago
  That would be amazing if some country tried to enforce visa rules on animals.
  - guerrilla 11mo ago
    They do actually, for example with swine in Denmark. They've built fences for that purpose specifically.
    - mnky9800n 11mo ago
      Do they have passports? Like how do they know if the pig is danish or German?
      - guerrilla 11mo ago
        I think many are tagged, but otherwise they have a lot of surveillance and fences. They probably track them after breeches as well. The point is to control disease.
- uhdhr 11mo ago
  If you enter a bear's den, especially if it has cubs, the bear will likely attack you. If you enter the territory of a swan, especially during nesting season, the swan might attack you. If a foreign object enters some animal's body, the immune system may attack that object.[0] Allergy might be related to the immune system misidentifying allergens. Squirrels can be surprisingly territorial. Ants have wars. [1] This is not surprising, since the consequences of territory being compromised can be severe. For instance, in this case [2], the territory was compromised through deception, like pretending to be one of them, and it led to the severe weakening or death of the whole colony through the mass devouring of their offspring. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_body_reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_body_reaction [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_ants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_ants [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/123ke8f/caterpillar_pretends_to_be_a_queen_ant_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/123ke...
  - yawpitch 11mo ago
    So you’re saying we are no better than animals, and shouldn’t aspire to be?
    - deleted 11mo ago
      [deleted]
    - _heimdall 11mo ago
      We are animals, we shouldn't try to avoid that as if its a bad thing.
      - yawpitch 11mo ago
        We should be, then, at least equal to animals in our behavior, and should also aspire to improve on them.
    - falcor84 11mo ago
      It was clearly a response to the grandparent's "... isn't like this for other animals". It's a fine thing to aspire to be better, but we just shouldn't be claiming that human behavior is any way less natural than that of all other animals.
- MrBuddyCasino 11mo ago
  Humans and animals enforce their borders since millennia. The idea that borders are unimportant is very very recent. That is to say, its commie gobbledygook.
  - uhdhr 11mo ago
    I am not convinced that the idea is recent, or rather, related ideas are not recent, going back thousands of years. It can be extremely complex, to put it very mildly. How well people that put their trust in some of those ideas fare, can likewise be an extremely complex topic, and can also be political. In some cases in some ways some of them might have fared well, in some other cases in some ways, maybe less so.
    - MrBuddyCasino 11mo ago
      A group of men crossing the border into another country was (usually) automatically considered invaders if its size exceeded a certain number. Eg Iberian Peninsula (Reconquista and later): Foreign parties >10 armed men could not cross without permission between christians and muslims. Chinese frontier zones, Scythians, Huns, Mongols, Turks etc all had similar rules. If you want to go back further, then Assyria, Egypt, Hittites, Greece had such limits.
      - uhdhr 11mo ago
        You are correct that there are many examples of border control mechanisms, in different levels and ways. Maybe even usually the vast majority for many levels and ways. Some nations, countries or groups, or other levels, did play with some of those mentioned ideas of less border control mechanisms in some ways or levels, also going back thousands of years. Countries that were not successful with border control mechanisms, sometimes ceased to exist. But there are many different levels and ways, and the whole topic is, to put it very mildly, extremely complex.
  - yawpitch 11mo ago
    Right, well we know which side of the enclosure of the commons you for some unaccountable reason assume you’d have born in.
- 15155 11mo ago
  > The world hasn't been like this forever People didn't receive handouts from governments in centuries past for just showing up and performing no contributory function. Kill all entitlements and let's open em' back up! > still isn't like this for other animals What reality are you living in where countless animal species aren't territorial? This is common sense.
pksebben 11mo ago
This might be a little broad for most, but I find the whole concept of nationalism and border sovereignty kinda tired. Who cares? We were nomads before we settled in cities, and it's only the designs of the empowered few that ever made the idea compulsory. I'm saying this as someone who enlisted in the defense of said nations once. Most of the structures that make up a country these days are for the birds - let a guy hike for chrissake. I also lived where I could see Tijuana from my back yard and all the pearl clutching and self-fanning over "illegal immigrants" is a giant crock of blustery nonsense. We have bigger problems than normal folks just trying to live their lives.
- godsinhisheaven 11mo ago
  The whole concept of nationalism and border sovereignty has been with us for essentially all of human history, and I don't see it petering out anytime soon. Plenty of people care, for all sorts of reasons, many of which I would say, are good!
  - cindyllm 11mo ago
    [dead]
  - pksebben 11mo ago
    That's partially true; the bit about borders and human history (so long as you sequester 'history' to 'recorded history') - but nationalism is actually newer than you'd think, and there were human societies for thousands of years before there were borders. More recent if you go by the current definition of border (formalized, surveyed borders are also relatively modern). Is nationalism going to peter out? No, of course not. Do some people care for reasons that are important to them? Sure, I don't want to tell anyone how to feel. I am just another jerk with an opinion like the rest of us. But if you were to ask me, it's take it or leave it. I'd be more than happy to see free movement in the world. Just another set of rules I'm not using.
    - bluebarbet 11mo ago
      Yes, hard borders are far more recent than people think. As late as the First World War you could travel the world without so much as a passport. But: back then only a handful of very rich people had the means to do that, and taxation and social protection were much lower than today. Those things are related. They (IMO of course!) are what make borders a pragmatic necessity.
JKCalhoun 11mo ago
"not entering Russia at a correct port of entry" I'm laughing at the lack of nuance in laws in general. Some guy crossed the Bering Straight on foot as part of a 27 year quest to walk around the world and the law makes no exception. I remember as a teen being hauled into a police station because a friend and I had been exploring the storm drains ("sewers") with a home-made flame thrower (okay, so the movie "Alien" had recently come out… Yeah, we left the flamethrower behind in the sewer when we popped our heads out and saw police). Someone in the neighborhood had called the police because she had seen us going down the manhole opening. (The police said the report came through that some kids had "fallen" into the sewers.) So I'm sitting in the police station with good cop and bad cop sitting there musing over my case. "How about 'Failure to use a sidewalk when a sidewalk was available'," bad cop said as he read from a book he was paging through. That got a laugh all around… They let me off after an hour or so of this.
- BryantD 11mo ago
  To be completely fair, Russia did decide to make an exception in this case, although it took a couple of months (during which Bushby was detained) to get there. I am a little bit torn in this case. From our vantage point it's obvious that Bushby wasn't running an elaborate long scam to get into Russia. In the moment... I don't know, former UK special forces guy? Long history of espionage between UK and Russia? Two months seems too long; it's also not as easy as your case of a teenager in the sewer.
  - JKCalhoun 11mo ago
    I saw that. Six months (if I recall) is kind of a long time…
hn_throwaway_99 11mo ago
Fair enough, but I interpreted "for not entering Russia at a correct port of entry" as he had a visa to enter the country, but he just didn't land at a recognized "port of entry", which given he walked/swam across the Being Strait, is unsurprising. But I don't know the full details of the situation.
LorenPechtel 11mo ago
Yeah, although it used to be that if you were legal to enter the US you actually could do it anywhere, just report to the local officials as soon as practical. That's still how ships work, you have to enter a country's territorial waters before you can speak to an official. Neither the US nor Canada does that now, effectively slicing the Pacific Coast Trail at the border. And now we have the scumbags for no good reason blocking off access to the southern terminus of the Continental Divide Trail. That fence isn't going to stop someone trying to sneak into the country!

paganel 11mo ago

> Given that he literally swam across the Caspian Sea in order Why didn't he take the ferry there?

anentropic 11mo ago
I guess it didn't fit with the goal of 'walking' around the world, probably wanted to avoid motorised transport
falcor84 11mo ago
> At the start of his quest, Bushby made two rules for himself, neither of which he has broken. > “I can’t use transport to advance, and I can’t go home until I arrive on foot,” Bushby said. “If I get stuck somewhere, I have to figure it out.”
throw-the-towel 11mo ago
The only ferry in the Caspian I know goes to Turkmenistan, which is North Korea-level strict with issuing visas.

em-bee 11mo ago

In Europe, he can stay for only 90 days that doesn't make any sense for two reasons. first, he only entered the EU in september this year, so either the 90 days are not up yet or he should be in mexico now. is he? but why would he fly to mexico when he could just go to the UK? but more importantly, he is a british citizen. getting a visa to walk through europe, especially now that he already has a track record of walking for so long should really not be an issue.

nly 11mo ago
There is no Europe wide long stay non-working visa for UK citizens. 90 in 180 days is the Schengen visitor option, no?
- slow_typist 11mo ago
  90 days within any period of 180 days visa free. Everything else is bureaucracy … https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa-information-2441822 https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa-information-2441822
ritzaco 11mo ago
have you tried? I'm a South African living in Europe and visas are a nightmare. Many europeans have never had to apply for a real visa in their life (I don't mean the online ones, or the apply on arrival ones, I mean the ones where you submit a 20 page form of personal details and hotel bookings and letters from friends you'll be staying with and bank statements and a full travel history) and they assume that I'm just making life difficult for myself by not doing some simpler option that they assume must exist. I don't know about what visa options UK citizens have for the EU since brexit, but I'd be surprised it was as simple as "I feel like spending more than the 90 days I get".
- deleted 11mo ago
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- em-bee 11mo ago
  I'd be surprised it was as simple as "I feel like spending more than the 90 days I get" why? that's exactly what i think he should be able to do. it's not like he spent 27 years walking across the planet in order to then misrepresent what he wants to do in the EU.

anticodon 11mo ago

He crossed the border illegally and was carrying a firearm with him. Maybe it's ok in the USA to cross the border illegally carrying a firearm with you, but I assure you it's not legal in all the other countries in the world and penalty would be very severe.

_yb2s 11mo ago
> Maybe it's ok in the USA to cross the border illegally carrying a firearm By definition anything illegal is illegal, and no, you cannot bring a firearm across the border into the USA without a paperwork process.
- theultdev 11mo ago
  He said "it's okay" not that it's not illegal. Of course it's illegal. But it used to be open season on the US border was the point. There were so many crossings, this dude would have gone unnoticed. Carrying or not. Nowadays not so much.
  - _yb2s 11mo ago
    I crossed the border from Mexico into the USA towing a large trailer a few weeks ago and was waived right across with no questions or inspections. All that has changed recently is an uptick in racial profiling at the border.
    - theultdev 11mo ago
      You crossed legally. You didn't swim or walk through the desert. They have xray scanners, dogs, and many other methods to inspect vehicles. You may not have even noticed you were inspected. Nothing racial about it, many races from many nations crossed illegally. It's about legality, not race.
      - _yb2s 11mo ago
        No, the scanners and imaging equipment do not fit large trailers like I was towing, so I had to bypass all of the equipment to a manual inspection area, but then they waived me through. Racial profiling - as well as other types of profiling - are absolutely a major factor in US border enforcement, and are currently done openly and legally. Your odds of being extensively searched are astronomically higher if you are crossing legally but have an accent or darker skin tone. ICE and border patrol openly use racial profiling, and recently won a supreme court case Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo allowing them to continue doing so. They wouldn't fight all the way to the supreme court and win for the right to racially profile people if they didn't even do it! Moreover, the job of a border agent, especially under the current administration actively seeks out and recruits employees that are attracted to the idea of a career that allows and encourages xenophobia, bullying, and racism. Sadistic people like Greg Bovino, who revels in fascist imagery and illegal brutality rise to top leadership positions. The recruitment materials for these jobs use white nationalist and white supremacists imagery and slogans- often using images stolen verbatim from white supremacist websites and forums.