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Interesting read. Digging in and fortifying positions is very much still a crucial part of war. For example, in the current Russo-Ukrainian war, structures such

by iammjm 10mo ago

Interesting read. Digging in and fortifying positions is very much still a crucial part of war. For example, in the current Russo-Ukrainian war, structures such as trenches, bunkers, basements, towers, buildings etc. are crucial for holding onto terrain. Also obstacle-like structures such as concertina wire, anti-tank ditches, dragon's teeth, minefields, czech-hedgehogs, etc. are all over the place. Wherever soldiers appear, they basically dig in and start fortifying, constructing structures both for their own protection as well as for obstructing enemy movement. An interesting recent development are kilometers-long anti-drone tunnels along key logistical routes, meant mostly for stopping rotary FPV drones that are trying to intercept logistics

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 10mo ago
> kilometers-long anti-drone tunnels along key logistical routes, meant mostly for stopping rotary FPV drones that are trying to intercept logistics Where they put nets over the road for camoflage or physically catching the drones, right? I couldn't find a good picture and for a second I thought you meant an earthen tunnel.
- Animats 10mo ago
  > Where they put nets over the road for camouflage or physically catching the drones, right? Yes. But it didn't work for long. The Russians have an answer to that.[1] [1] https://www.thesun.ie/news/16173281/russian-dragon-drone-strike-ukraine-tunnel-life/ https://www.thesun.ie/news/16173281/russian-dragon-drone-str...
  - araes 10mo ago
    Probably need to move over to fire resistant cloth mesh relatively soon if the thermite drones become a common battlefield sight.
    - _carbyau_ 10mo ago
      Thermite temperatures are over 2000 degrees celsius. It is literally burning iron and aluminium. Material science can do amazing things but a capable "fire resistant cloth mesh", cheap enough to use in the quantities required, will be a good trick.
      - araes 10mo ago
        It does not need to survive the direct impact of the thermite, it just needs to self extinguish and not light large areas of the mesh on fire. A couple foot size holes don't matter much in miles of mesh.
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kakacik 10mo ago
This doctrine is changing fast in that conflict. Any enemy structure sticking out is a prime target for drones, and there around 10,000 drones used daily and this number keeps rising continuously, often one-way FPV kamikaze drones. Anything that sticks out is bombarded into oblivion, the tactic now is more akin to hiding or blending with surroundings. Once they figure out cheap way for semi-autonomous swarms (as in 1 guy piloting say 50 drones, mix of bombers, kamikadze ones and possibly ones carrying some AA rockets) skies will be full of little deadly plastic birds and fortified positions on the battle line will be fully thing of the past.
- psunavy03 10mo ago
  Always great to see someone who has probably never served pontificating on military affairs with such an air of authority. Sort of like listening to a lawyer hold court on the future of software development.

by iammjm 10mo ago

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 10mo ago

> kilometers-long anti-drone tunnels along key logistical routes, meant mostly for stopping rotary FPV drones that are trying to intercept logistics Where they put nets over the road for camoflage or physically catching the drones, right? I couldn't find a good picture and for a second I thought you meant an earthen tunnel.

Animats 10mo ago
> Where they put nets over the road for camouflage or physically catching the drones, right? Yes. But it didn't work for long. The Russians have an answer to that.[1] [1] https://www.thesun.ie/news/16173281/russian-dragon-drone-strike-ukraine-tunnel-life/ https://www.thesun.ie/news/16173281/russian-dragon-drone-str...
- araes 10mo ago
  Probably need to move over to fire resistant cloth mesh relatively soon if the thermite drones become a common battlefield sight.
  - _carbyau_ 10mo ago
    Thermite temperatures are over 2000 degrees celsius. It is literally burning iron and aluminium. Material science can do amazing things but a capable "fire resistant cloth mesh", cheap enough to use in the quantities required, will be a good trick.
    - araes 10mo ago
      It does not need to survive the direct impact of the thermite, it just needs to self extinguish and not light large areas of the mesh on fire. A couple foot size holes don't matter much in miles of mesh.
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kakacik 10mo ago

This doctrine is changing fast in that conflict. Any enemy structure sticking out is a prime target for drones, and there around 10,000 drones used daily and this number keeps rising continuously, often one-way FPV kamikaze drones. Anything that sticks out is bombarded into oblivion, the tactic now is more akin to hiding or blending with surroundings. Once they figure out cheap way for semi-autonomous swarms (as in 1 guy piloting say 50 drones, mix of bombers, kamikadze ones and possibly ones carrying some AA rockets) skies will be full of little deadly plastic birds and fortified positions on the battle line will be fully thing of the past.

psunavy03 10mo ago
Always great to see someone who has probably never served pontificating on military affairs with such an air of authority. Sort of like listening to a lawyer hold court on the future of software development.