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This is a train. You want a train. If you don't like sharing space with other people, you want a private room on a train. These cars and their supporting inf
by llbeansandrice 10mo ago
This is a train.
You want a train.
If you don't like sharing space with other people, you want a private room on a train.
These cars and their supporting infrastructure should cost more than a private room on a train because they are less efficient and have more negative externalities than a private room on a train.
- jjcm 10mo agoA train can't take me to the beach. It can't take me camping away from civilization. It can't haul lumber from a hardware store so I can build a treehouse. I love trains, but let's not pretend there is a perfect Venn diagram of overlap between what their use cases are.
- lapetitejort 10mo agoTrains can take you to the beach and away from civilization. Build a station where you want to go. At one point trains were the most practical way to get to national parks. How often are you building treehouses that you need to pay hundreds of dollars extra a month to justify the cost, versus a one-time delivery fee?
- dzhiurgis 10mo agoIf you build train station away from civilization pretty quickly it will be filled with civilization. Trains are ok for mass transit. Rest of world is for cars.
- ryan_lane 10mo agoYou must be an American, because plenty of trains exist to bring people to nature elsewhere. You know, when you drive a car to a nature place, you put it into a parking lot, then you are no longer in the car, right? Same works for trains.
- dzhiurgis 10mo agoLow density places exist outside america. You should check them out.
- ryan_lane 10mo agoI have. A lot of them have trains!
- signatoremo 10mo agoA lot of them don’t. What is your point? How should one visit places without train access like this one? https://maps.app.goo.gl/kgjVaPRdi6zGDQeu6?g_st=ic https://maps.app.goo.gl/kgjVaPRdi6zGDQeu6?g_st=ic
- llbeansandrice 10mo agoMan I love this silly debate. The original comment just wanted to travel 500 miles to "somewhere" and most instances of "somewhere" that people travel to could be accessed by train. Also no one has said that no one is allowed to drive ever again anywhere. I'm trying to be generous but the victim complex is crazy.
- llbeansandrice 10mo ago> A train can't take me to the beach Yes it can!! Why can't a train take you to the beach? https://www.amtrak.com/top-beach-destinations-by-train https://www.amtrak.com/top-beach-destinations-by-train > It can't take me camping away from civilization. How many vehicle miles do you travel every year? How many of those are to go camping? > It can't haul lumber from a hardware store so I can build a treehouse. Have you tried? Like really tried? https://philsturgeon.com/carry-shit-olympics/ https://philsturgeon.com/carry-shit-olympics/ > but let's not pretend there is a perfect Venn diagram of overlap between what their use cases are. I never said anything of the sort and I'm not pretending that at all. You're creating a strawman. The comment I was responding to said this: > I'd love to get in my car and go to sleep for a couple of hours or read a book whilst it drives me somewhere. Imagine if it could even pull over and charge up without any kind of intervention too. You could get in your car, and get a full nights sleep whilst it drive you somewhere 500 miles away. That's a train. Most instances of "somewhere" can be accessed by train. Or by a train to do the long miles and then other modes of transit once you're closer. My overall stance is that there's a lot more overlap between why folks want a super expensive self-driving car and more robust public transit and better support for multi-modal transit. I've not pretended anything like you've claimed.
- rootusrootus 10mo ago> Or by a train to do the long miles and then other modes of transit once you're closer Of your many points in various posts, this is maybe the only point I'm really on board with. Amtrak already supports this, even. My car can drive me to the train and then the train can do the long haul, and at the other end my car will drive me off the train and to the destination. Still need waaaay more rail routes than we have now, though, so this is a dream for a century from now, not something in my lifetime.
- llbeansandrice 10mo agoThis isn’t strictly directed at you, but I’m saddened that HN is immediately ready to dream big when it comes to solving hard problems and making the world a better place in spaces like AI, crypto, and technology in general. But suddenly shuts down over things as simple as trains, buses, and bike lanes. There’s plenty of examples of guerrilla urbanism that I think align closely to the hacker ethos. Even more these problems are very solvable and can net huge gains in metrics without having to “dream for a century”. > waaaaay more rail routes It’s actually much simpler, Amtrak just needs right of way along with some other straight forward regulations to help balance freight and transit on America’s railroads. Amtrak has also been doing great at incremental expansion and brining back (or increasing!) ridership just in the 5 years since the pandemic in a number of areas like Chicago to Milwaukee, and in the PNW. The defeatist attitude isn’t what I expect from HN. You already found the best piece of actionable advice which is to look for incremental ways you can adjust your life to be different. My wife and I hardly drive anymore. Most of our trips: her work, groceries, restaurants, most leisure activities, etc are now by bike. We live in the suburbs too, a full 10 miles (20-30min drive and across an interstate) from the city’s downtown. Cars are only perceived as necessary in America bc it is assumed that they are. There are many small and safe ways to shed the car dependence and they’ve all been huge positives to my life. We’re happier, healthier, building more community, spending less money on gas and maintenance. It’s nice.
- uberman 10mo agoAre you suggesting that you cant get to Home Depot without a self driving smart car?
- mike-cardwell 10mo agoNot even close