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Google’s standard problem is that they don’t even use their own products. Their Pixel and Android team rocks iPhones on the daily, for example.
by radicaldreamer 10mo ago
Google’s standard problem is that they don’t even use their own products. Their Pixel and Android team rocks iPhones on the daily, for example.
- onethought 10mo agoI mean there is benefit to understanding competitor well as well?
- LogicFailsMe 10mo agoOutweighed by the value of having to suffer with the moldy fruits of their own labor. That was the only way the Android Facebook app became usable as well.
- ssl-3 10mo agoThere certainly is. To posit a scenario: I would expect General Motors to buy some Ford vehicles to test and play around with and use. There's always stuff to learn about what the competition has done (whether right, wrong, or indifferent). But I also expect the parking lots used by employees at any GM design facility in the world to be mostly full of General Motors products, not Fords.
- GenerWork 10mo ago>But I also expect the parking lots used by employees at any GM design facility in the world to be mostly full of General Motors products, not Fords. I think you'd be surprised about the vehicle makeup at Big 3 design facilities.
- ssl-3 10mo agoMaybe so. I'm only familiar with Ford production and distribution facilities. Those parking lots are broadly full of Fords, but that doesn't mean that it's like this across the board.
- olyjohn 10mo agoGM has dedicated parking lots for employees with GM vehicles. Everybody else parks further away in the lot of shame.
- ssl-3 10mo agoOf course. And I've parked in the lot of shame at a Ford plant, as an outsider, in my GMC work truck -- way over there. It wasn't so bad. A bit of a hike to go back and get a tool or something, but it was at least paved...unlike the non-union lot I'm familiar with at a P&G facility, which is a gravel lot that takes crossing a busy road to get to, lacks the active security and visibility from the plant that the union lot has, and which is full of tall weeds. At P&G, I half-expect to come back and find my tires slashed. Anyway, it wasn't barren over there in the not-Ford lot, but it wasn't nearly so populous as the Ford lot was. The Ford-only lot is bigger, and always relatively packed. It was very clear to me that the lots (all of the lots, in aggregate) were mostly full of Fords. To bring this all back 'round: It is clear to me that Ford employees broadly (>50%) drive Fords to work at that plant. --- It isn't clear to me at all that Google Pixel developers don't broadly drive iPhones. As far as I can tell, that status (which is meme-level in its age at this point) is true, and they aren't broadly making daily use of the systems they build. (And I, for one, can't imagine spending 40 hours a week developing systems that I refuse to use. I have no appreciation for that level of apparent arrogance, and I hope to never be suaded to be that way. I'd like to think that I'd be better-motivated to improve the system than I would be to avoid using it and choose a competitor instead. I don't shit where I sleep.)
- snypher 10mo agoThe CEO of Ford was driving a competition EV for months; https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62694325/ford-ceo-jim-farley-daily-drives-xiaomi-su7/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62694325/ford-ceo-jim-far...
- Forgeties79 10mo agoI wonder how many apple employees walk in to the office with android phones
- azinman2 10mo agoEffectively zero. Disclosure: I work at Apple. And when I was at Google I was shocked by how many iPhones there were.
- jimmaswell 10mo agoThis is flabbergasting, how could such a large proportion of highly technical people willingly subject themselves to being shackled by iOS? They just happily put up with having one choice of browser, (outside Europe) no third party app stores, and being locked into the Apple ecosystem? I can't think of a single reason I would ever switch from an S22-25+U to an iPhone. I only went from 22U to 25U because my old one got smashed, otherwise the 22U would still be perfectly fine.
- dumbfounder 10mo agoBecause it’s better.
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- jimmaswell 10mo agoI've tried them out and not a single thing about it was tangibly better IMO. They have no inherent merit above Android except that some see them as a status symbol (which is absurd as my S25U has a higher MSRP than most iPhone models)
- hamburglar 10mo agoMy bottom of the barrel iPhone SE is absolutely not a status symbol. It’s just the phone I like best. The MSRP of your phone does not matter.
- RBerenguel 10mo agoI would think this is not true
- renewiltord 10mo agoYeah, I've heard that Sundar Pichai dogfoods the latest Pixel at least once a month and sometimes two or three times.
- sib 10mo agoYou'd be wrong (source - worked in the Android org).
- RBerenguel 10mo agoHow long ago?
- sib 10mo ago2021-2023
- Der_Einzige 10mo agoThat’s because they will be bullied out of the dating market if they have a “green bubble”.
- astrange 10mo ago[flagged]
- dkga 10mo agoWhat is a green bubble? iPhone's carbon footprint?
- brookst 10mo agoiMessage renders other iMessage users as blue bubbles, SMS/RCS as green bubbles. People who can’t understand that many people actually prefer iOS use this green/blue thing to explain the otherwise incomprehensible (to them) phenomenon of high iOS market share. “Nobody really likes iOS, they just get bullied at school if they don’t use it”. It’s just “wake up sheeple” dressed up in fake morality.
- ethbr1 10mo agoAs someone who switches between platforms somewhat frequently, iOS perpetually feels like people have Stockholm syndrome. 'Oh, that super annoying issue? Yeah, it's been there for years. We just don't do that.' Fundamentally though, browsing the web on iOS, even with a custom "browser" with adblocking, feels like going back in time 15 years.
- platevoltage 10mo agoIt wouldn't be an issue if they didn't pick the worst green on earth. "Which green would you like for the carrier text messages Mr. Jobs?" ... "#00FF00 will be fine."
- free652 10mo agoYou cant buy an iPhone without a director approval. And it's like 3 gen behind as well. So no, they don't use iPhones.
- dominotw 10mo agoyou have to get premission from director for your presonal phone? wtf
- testdelacc1 10mo agoFor the work phone.
- ummonk 10mo agoGoogle tells its employees what products they're allowed to buy for personal use?
- snypher 10mo agoSeems like they meant for a work device.
- gcr 10mo agolots of googlers use BYOD iPhones and the corp suite for this use case is fairly well-supported
- brookst 10mo agoWhich makes tons of sense because iPhone users are higher CLV than Android users. If Google had to choose between major software defects in Android or iOS, they would focus quality on iOS every time.
- siva7 10mo agothat explains why their ios gemini app is so ridiculously bad. in private they probably use iphones and just chatgpt instead.
- sam345 10mo agoThat's inexcusable.
- inquirerGeneral 10mo ago[dead]