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The most ironic thing that never came to fruition was an X-Files spinoff [1]. The pilot aired a few months before 9/11. Depiction a plot by the (I believe) CIA

by sdoering 10mo ago

The most ironic thing that never came to fruition was an X-Files spinoff [1]. The pilot aired a few months before 9/11. Depiction a plot by the (I believe) CIA to crash a passenger airplane into the WTC. And the three computer freaks/conspiracy theorists that often helped Mulder trying to stop that. I watched it a few months after 9/11 happened. That definitely was an experience I will never forget. Even as a German, 9/11 for me ranks in the top three defining historic moments that I actively remember that demarcated the timeline in a clear before and after. Next to Chernobyl disaster and 11/9 (fall of the Berlin Wall). Edit: [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_series)

xbmcuser 10mo ago
Tom Clancy also had a similar plot in the Jack Ryan series
- timschmidt 10mo ago
  Don't forget "Rebuilding America's Defenses" a paper published by Project for the New American Century, a think tank who's founding statement of principles was signed by 25 individuals, 10 of whom went on to serve in the George W. Bush administration, which calls for "A New Pearl Harbor": https://www.visibility911.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/rebuildingamericasdefenses.pdf https://www.visibility911.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/reb...
  - opo 10mo ago
    > ...which calls for "A New Pearl Harbor": Reading through your link, I don't see how one can say it "calls for a "A New Pearl Harbor": >...Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions. ... >...Absent a rigorous program of experimentation to investigate the nature of the revolution in military affairs as it applies to war at sea, the Navy might face a future Pearl Harbor – as unprepared for war in the post-carrier era as it was unprepared for war at the dawn of the carrier age.
    - timschmidt 10mo ago
      > Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. You may not see this as calling for a new Pearl Harbor, but it's incredibly conspicuous considering that it's exactly what an administration made of PNAC alums got, predicted a year in advance, via nationals of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Club states with connections to intelligence services: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_the_September_11_attacks#Links_between_the_Saudi_royal_family_and_the_Saudi_intelligence_service_to_the_hijackers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_the_Sept...
      - opo 10mo ago
        While conspiracy theories about 9/11 being some sort of an inside job are widespread, they are not supported by evidence.
        timschmidt 10mo ago
        That's a funny response to well-sourced facts and a document outlining strategy which was later enacted by the same folks who wrote it. Plenty of actual conspiracies throughout history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_conspiracies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_conspiracies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conspiracies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conspiracies The existence of modern conspiracies should hardly be surprising. And are precisely the business of intelligence services such as those with established links to the attackers. The attack itself was, by definition, a conspiracy. There's a great deal of conjecture about who exactly was involved in that conspiracy besides the attackers themselves, and a great deal of evidence both concrete and circumstantial. Too much for a single HN comment. But I've made no claims about that beyond "Rebuilding America's Defenses" being conspicuously prescient. Which it demonstrably was.
- throwaway29812 10mo ago
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- DennisP 10mo ago
  And despite the X-files spinoff and the best-selling Clancy novel, the administration kept repeating "nobody could have predicted this!"
LargoLasskhyfv 10mo ago
There is more. This was released in 1995: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati:_New_World_Order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati:_New_World_Order A few other links lazily searched - The single card depicting it: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/illuminati-world-order-limited-2023298916 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/illuminati-world-orde... (zoomable) The whole set: https://www.ccgtrader.net/games/illuminati-nwo-ccg/limited/ https://www.ccgtrader.net/games/illuminati-nwo-ccg/limited/ One of countless articles covering that, and related stuff: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/illuminati-card-game-trump-covid-b1839470.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... I've held this card (already well used and worn) in my hand, shown to me by someone affiliated with the CCC in Hamburg, who had it always on him in his purse, about 2004/5. Surreal.

xbmcuser 10mo ago

Tom Clancy also had a similar plot in the Jack Ryan series

timschmidt 10mo ago
Don't forget "Rebuilding America's Defenses" a paper published by Project for the New American Century, a think tank who's founding statement of principles was signed by 25 individuals, 10 of whom went on to serve in the George W. Bush administration, which calls for "A New Pearl Harbor": https://www.visibility911.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/rebuildingamericasdefenses.pdf https://www.visibility911.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/reb...
- opo 10mo ago
  > ...which calls for "A New Pearl Harbor": Reading through your link, I don't see how one can say it "calls for a "A New Pearl Harbor": >...Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions. ... >...Absent a rigorous program of experimentation to investigate the nature of the revolution in military affairs as it applies to war at sea, the Navy might face a future Pearl Harbor – as unprepared for war in the post-carrier era as it was unprepared for war at the dawn of the carrier age.
  - timschmidt 10mo ago
    > Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. You may not see this as calling for a new Pearl Harbor, but it's incredibly conspicuous considering that it's exactly what an administration made of PNAC alums got, predicted a year in advance, via nationals of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Club states with connections to intelligence services: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_the_September_11_attacks#Links_between_the_Saudi_royal_family_and_the_Saudi_intelligence_service_to_the_hijackers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_the_Sept...
    - opo 10mo ago
      While conspiracy theories about 9/11 being some sort of an inside job are widespread, they are not supported by evidence.
      - timschmidt 10mo ago
        That's a funny response to well-sourced facts and a document outlining strategy which was later enacted by the same folks who wrote it. Plenty of actual conspiracies throughout history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_conspiracies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_conspiracies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conspiracies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conspiracies The existence of modern conspiracies should hardly be surprising. And are precisely the business of intelligence services such as those with established links to the attackers. The attack itself was, by definition, a conspiracy. There's a great deal of conjecture about who exactly was involved in that conspiracy besides the attackers themselves, and a great deal of evidence both concrete and circumstantial. Too much for a single HN comment. But I've made no claims about that beyond "Rebuilding America's Defenses" being conspicuously prescient. Which it demonstrably was.
throwaway29812 10mo ago
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DennisP 10mo ago
And despite the X-files spinoff and the best-selling Clancy novel, the administration kept repeating "nobody could have predicted this!"

LargoLasskhyfv 10mo ago

There is more. This was released in 1995: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati:_New_World_Order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati:_New_World_Order A few other links lazily searched - The single card depicting it: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/illuminati-world-order-limited-2023298916 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/illuminati-world-orde... (zoomable) The whole set: https://www.ccgtrader.net/games/illuminati-nwo-ccg/limited/ https://www.ccgtrader.net/games/illuminati-nwo-ccg/limited/ One of countless articles covering that, and related stuff: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/illuminati-card-game-trump-covid-b1839470.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... I've held this card (already well used and worn) in my hand, shown to me by someone affiliated with the CCC in Hamburg, who had it always on him in his purse, about 2004/5. Surreal.