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I hard bounced off COSMIC with the complete lack of theming. I can't even set my clock to a reasonable format in it. The only thing it has going for it is sane

by tmtvl 10mo ago

I hard bounced off COSMIC with the complete lack of theming. I can't even set my clock to a reasonable format in it. The only thing it has going for it is sane multi-monitor support, which neither KDE nor GNOME have gotten right so far (though at KDE there is some activity around it, dunno 'bout GNOME).

dontlaugh 10mo ago
What’s wrong with Gnome’s multi monitor support? My two monitors even have different pixel density.
- akdor1154 10mo ago
  Gnome works OK with integer scaling, more granular than this and you're up shit creek. E.G. can you set one screen to 150% and one to 175%? (I think the answer to this is 'technically yes but then everything goes a bit blurry because they do it by rendering at 2x then downscaling') Proper mixed dpi scaling means stuff will render pixel-perfectly instead of downscaling hacks.
  - dontlaugh 10mo ago
    I have two 4K monitors, one at 150% and another at 175%. Nothing is blurry. I did have to get a reasonably new Gnome, Ubuntu LTS had one that was broken with fractional scaling.
- tmtvl 10mo ago
  Can't switch between workspace 1 and 2 on my right monitor while leaving my left one on workspace 3. In fact, I believe by default I wouldn't even get workspaces on my secondary monitor. Because who needs 'organization' anyway?
  - dontlaugh 10mo ago
    I see. I’ve always preferred to switch workspaces together.
jorvi 10mo ago
I really hate that at some point in the past, KDE developers decided that they hated how deeply intuitive virtual desktops are and deprecated them in favor of something deeply unintuitive (Activities). Any issue or complaint mentioning it is shot down with "you're holding it wrong." Please just give virtual desktops first class support and lets forget about the Activities experiment. Most users hate it. The attitude regarding it is about as bad as Gnome forcing Overview on everyone, refusing to provide a first party dock or lightweight launcher. Despite almost every distro and 95% of Gnome users immediately installing Dash to Dock.
- bxparks 10mo ago
  I'm not familiar with the Gnome terminologies. Is Overview the one where they removed all the desktop icons, breaking 40 years of GUI conventions going back to the 1970s? (It's impossible to do a search on a product called "Overview".) I blew away Gnome after that, installed Mint MATE (now Cinnamon), and vowed to never touch Gnome again.
  - jorvi 10mo ago
    Overview is when you press the Super ('Windows') key. What appears is an unholy amalgamation of a launcher, a workspace strip, a window overview, workspace peeking, and a dock. Worse yet is that every time you go in or out of this overview, an animation plays, making things fly and animate everywhere constantly, whenever you want to take any action. Whenever someone points out to Gnome developers that most people only want to open a launcher to type "52*93" or find a contact, that they just want to mouse over a dock to have a lightweight way to see if an application is open (and to switch to it), they get irate and tell you their vision is vastly superior. Gnome could be pretty great if the developers their attitude to their users wants and the feedback on their issue tracker wasn't extreme snark and "actually we are right". Even if clear UI defects are pointed out, no, in fact they are right. The Gnome peoples also frustrate any attempt at improving Wayland at a more rapid clip. There is a reason why Valve went with KDE. KDE has its own set of problems, but at least they are receptive, cooperative and friendly. I genuinely hope Valve puts enough money into KDE that Gnome with its high and mighty attitude gets completely railroaded.
bsimpson 10mo ago
I tried a bunch of shells when I got my Legion Go, including COSMIC. It had the worst touchscreen support of any of them. Now that SteamOS is officially released, I just use KDE. Maybe COSMIC will be better at touch eventually, but since it's a traditional laptop company, I'm not sure.

by tmtvl 10mo ago

dontlaugh 10mo ago

What’s wrong with Gnome’s multi monitor support? My two monitors even have different pixel density.

akdor1154 10mo ago
Gnome works OK with integer scaling, more granular than this and you're up shit creek. E.G. can you set one screen to 150% and one to 175%? (I think the answer to this is 'technically yes but then everything goes a bit blurry because they do it by rendering at 2x then downscaling') Proper mixed dpi scaling means stuff will render pixel-perfectly instead of downscaling hacks.
- dontlaugh 10mo ago
  I have two 4K monitors, one at 150% and another at 175%. Nothing is blurry. I did have to get a reasonably new Gnome, Ubuntu LTS had one that was broken with fractional scaling.
tmtvl 10mo ago
Can't switch between workspace 1 and 2 on my right monitor while leaving my left one on workspace 3. In fact, I believe by default I wouldn't even get workspaces on my secondary monitor. Because who needs 'organization' anyway?
- dontlaugh 10mo ago
  I see. I’ve always preferred to switch workspaces together.

jorvi 10mo ago

I really hate that at some point in the past, KDE developers decided that they hated how deeply intuitive virtual desktops are and deprecated them in favor of something deeply unintuitive (Activities). Any issue or complaint mentioning it is shot down with "you're holding it wrong." Please just give virtual desktops first class support and lets forget about the Activities experiment. Most users hate it. The attitude regarding it is about as bad as Gnome forcing Overview on everyone, refusing to provide a first party dock or lightweight launcher. Despite almost every distro and 95% of Gnome users immediately installing Dash to Dock.

bxparks 10mo ago
I'm not familiar with the Gnome terminologies. Is Overview the one where they removed all the desktop icons, breaking 40 years of GUI conventions going back to the 1970s? (It's impossible to do a search on a product called "Overview".) I blew away Gnome after that, installed Mint MATE (now Cinnamon), and vowed to never touch Gnome again.
- jorvi 10mo ago
  Overview is when you press the Super ('Windows') key. What appears is an unholy amalgamation of a launcher, a workspace strip, a window overview, workspace peeking, and a dock. Worse yet is that every time you go in or out of this overview, an animation plays, making things fly and animate everywhere constantly, whenever you want to take any action. Whenever someone points out to Gnome developers that most people only want to open a launcher to type "52*93" or find a contact, that they just want to mouse over a dock to have a lightweight way to see if an application is open (and to switch to it), they get irate and tell you their vision is vastly superior. Gnome could be pretty great if the developers their attitude to their users wants and the feedback on their issue tracker wasn't extreme snark and "actually we are right". Even if clear UI defects are pointed out, no, in fact they are right. The Gnome peoples also frustrate any attempt at improving Wayland at a more rapid clip. There is a reason why Valve went with KDE. KDE has its own set of problems, but at least they are receptive, cooperative and friendly. I genuinely hope Valve puts enough money into KDE that Gnome with its high and mighty attitude gets completely railroaded.

bsimpson 10mo ago

I tried a bunch of shells when I got my Legion Go, including COSMIC. It had the worst touchscreen support of any of them. Now that SteamOS is officially released, I just use KDE. Maybe COSMIC will be better at touch eventually, but since it's a traditional laptop company, I'm not sure.