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I think the shift to EV is inevitable.

by hartator 10mo ago

colordrops 10mo ago
I agree, but it won't happen until EVs get more range.
- amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
  Better charging infrastructure and faster charging batteries will mitigate some of that.
- 5upplied_demand 10mo ago
  That has been happening consistently for almost 15 years. https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1323-january-1-2024-top-range-model-year-2023-evs-was-516-miles-single https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1323-janu...
- ok_dad 10mo ago
  The range is fine today, the problem is charging infrastructure now. There aren't enough high speed chargers, and we can't build more because of the same reasons we can't build more AI datacenters: power. Tesla can build tons of them because they're backed by large grid batteries that suck up the power peaks from fast charging so that they can install their charging stations anywhere that has somewhat reliable power. If you don't have the batteries to act as a peak shaver, then it's really hard to install high speed charging where people need it most in residential and commercial areas that are already oversubscribed.
  - colordrops 10mo ago
    It's not fine for all use cases. There are many people who are holding out because it's either not fine for their main use case, or even just a use case that occurs infrequently, but still important to them.
    - ok_dad 10mo ago
      I'd like to see data on the distances people drive on a regular basis. For America where I am from, I think that a vast majority of people could use EVs today with the ranges they have today. I didn't see any EVs with ranges below 200+ miles and most had 260+. If you have to go further than that on a regular basis, I think that most cars won't work for your specific needs, let alone EVs. The whole range argument seems like some FUD to me that was made up by the ICE industry, honestly, because EVs have had these same ranges for a decade now.
      - colordrops 10mo ago
        I'm speaking out of personal experience as an EV owner in Los Angeles that takes occasional road trips. It's those occasional road trips that are preventing me from going full EV. And I'm like 99% certain I'm not a tiny minority.
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        ok_dad 10mo ago
        I wonder if there is data out there for this kind of thing. I'd like to see it to see which one of us is correct or if we're both wrong (or right).
- iknowstuff 10mo ago
  It already happened. 1/3rd of the global car market is EV. Range is not an issue.
  - colordrops 10mo ago
    Worthless comment. Of course it's not an issue for city driving. It's an issue for long trips and rural driving. No one said EVs don't serve many use cases. I have one myself.
    - iknowstuff 10mo ago
      Worthless human. More range is not needed and mark my words, mainstream EVs will not bother going beyond ~300 miles. Even the 400mi in a model s is a lot. More charging stations maybe, though we have plenty here in CA so roadtrips in a Tesla have never been a problem.
      - colordrops 10mo ago
        appreciate the compliment. I'm one of those Californians with a Tesla, and we keep a gas car for certain trips that would be very difficult with a Tesla. I'm not just making something up here. But whatever you say.

I think the shift to EV is inevitable.

colordrops 10mo ago

I agree, but it won't happen until EVs get more range.

amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
Better charging infrastructure and faster charging batteries will mitigate some of that.
5upplied_demand 10mo ago
That has been happening consistently for almost 15 years. https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1323-january-1-2024-top-range-model-year-2023-evs-was-516-miles-single https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1323-janu...
ok_dad 10mo ago
The range is fine today, the problem is charging infrastructure now. There aren't enough high speed chargers, and we can't build more because of the same reasons we can't build more AI datacenters: power. Tesla can build tons of them because they're backed by large grid batteries that suck up the power peaks from fast charging so that they can install their charging stations anywhere that has somewhat reliable power. If you don't have the batteries to act as a peak shaver, then it's really hard to install high speed charging where people need it most in residential and commercial areas that are already oversubscribed.
- colordrops 10mo ago
  It's not fine for all use cases. There are many people who are holding out because it's either not fine for their main use case, or even just a use case that occurs infrequently, but still important to them.
  - ok_dad 10mo ago
    I'd like to see data on the distances people drive on a regular basis. For America where I am from, I think that a vast majority of people could use EVs today with the ranges they have today. I didn't see any EVs with ranges below 200+ miles and most had 260+. If you have to go further than that on a regular basis, I think that most cars won't work for your specific needs, let alone EVs. The whole range argument seems like some FUD to me that was made up by the ICE industry, honestly, because EVs have had these same ranges for a decade now.
    - colordrops 10mo ago
      I'm speaking out of personal experience as an EV owner in Los Angeles that takes occasional road trips. It's those occasional road trips that are preventing me from going full EV. And I'm like 99% certain I'm not a tiny minority.
      - deleted 10mo ago
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      - ok_dad 10mo ago
        I wonder if there is data out there for this kind of thing. I'd like to see it to see which one of us is correct or if we're both wrong (or right).
iknowstuff 10mo ago
It already happened. 1/3rd of the global car market is EV. Range is not an issue.
- colordrops 10mo ago
  Worthless comment. Of course it's not an issue for city driving. It's an issue for long trips and rural driving. No one said EVs don't serve many use cases. I have one myself.
  - iknowstuff 10mo ago
    Worthless human. More range is not needed and mark my words, mainstream EVs will not bother going beyond ~300 miles. Even the 400mi in a model s is a lot. More charging stations maybe, though we have plenty here in CA so roadtrips in a Tesla have never been a problem.
    - colordrops 10mo ago
      appreciate the compliment. I'm one of those Californians with a Tesla, and we keep a gas car for certain trips that would be very difficult with a Tesla. I'm not just making something up here. But whatever you say.