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It only works until Mickey Mouse shows up on your Tiktok feed lynching an African American and doing a sieg heil salute. Are you sure Disney wants that or would

It only works until Mickey Mouse shows up on your Tiktok feed lynching an African American and doing a sieg heil salute. Are you sure Disney wants that or would not care about that??

zahlman 10mo ago
The question is why it shows up on your Tiktok feed.
- lp0_on_fire 10mo ago
  I thought it was well known and generally accepted that the social medial companies push controversial click/rage bait to keep people “engaged”?
- gosub100 10mo ago
  This is a good point. Instead of policing what trolls will use it for, the same AI should be able to detect racist content and prevent it from spreading
- salawat 10mo ago
  Look, I've gotten cartel beheadings and beatings on a YouTube search query for Jack Russell terriers. Don't throw shade. If you haven't gotten "How the fuck did that get there?", consider yourself lucky I guess. Best I can figure, terriers have some unintentional shared vector space with much more unpleasant content.
  - stOneskull 10mo ago
    terriers/terrorists
- matsemann 10mo ago
  This used to be a "zing", but don't think it is anymore. Try to make a new profile somewhere and select a few topics of interest. You will get suggested the most engaging "relevant" content. For me, I made a cycling Instagram and my feed instantly got filled with girls showing of cleavage in lycra with cycling hashtags.
  - zahlman 10mo ago
    It was not meant as an attack on GP; it was meant as exactly this opportunity to question "the algorithm".
  - array_key_first 10mo ago
    I swear to god Instagram is like the patriarchy speedrun. If it finds out you're a woman, within mere minutes it's 100% "you're fat" "try this diet" "you've GOT to buy this viral dress on shein!!" And if you're a man, it's boobs, ass, objectification, and products to make you feel more like a man. The sheer velocity at which Instagram will shovel you into capitalist-patriachy++ is shocking.
    - 71bw 10mo ago
      ...have you ever thought about the way you're using the app, then? Because I, personally, get nothing else other than dumb memes and posts from people I follow.
      - matsemann 10mo ago
        No, stop with the stupid shaming. The point was that the algorithm pushes certain content on people, no matter what they actually want to see.
        71bw 10mo ago
        And I said that I do not have this issue and my current account is relatively fresh, having been made in May of this year.
      - array_key_first 10mo ago
        When I say this happens in mere minutes and to everyone I know, I mean it. For the record, I don't use Instagram because it's basically always been toxic. It's one of the fastest ways to feel bad about your body and life.
docjay 10mo ago
There are clearly plenty of people who feel the same way as you, and for those people what I’m about to ask might have such an obvious answer that it could feel like I’m being rhetorical or feigning ignorance to provoke an emotional response, but it’s truly honest: Why should Disney care? To which you might say “because people care”, so: Why should people care? Back when I was a spud I used futuristic text-to-speech synthesis to make my computer say “Eye am Bill Gaytes my farts go FERT FERT FERT” - Should Bill Gates be offended? What about the people who like him? What about the Intel processor I used to create it? Or the company behind the TTS software? Would anyone think they’re involved and endorsed it? I guess the real question is: are we catering the world to people who can’t make that distinction?
- array_key_first 10mo ago
  People care because it's entirely unconscious. Even if you choose not to care, you can't, because you've already seen it. The way advertisement works is that it's brain hacking - it's just associations. Over time your brain associates a brand with a product or products, and then simply by having this association in your brain you're more likely to buy the product. This also works for negative advertisement. Think about it. Suppose you did see mickey mouse saluting Hitler, or maybe you saw mickey mouse stick a jar up his little rat ass. When you see mickey mouse, undoubtedly, even if just for a second, your mind will think about what you saw before. You might discount it immediately, but the damage is done. You still feel that emotion, even if only for a split second, and you have been influenced by it.
  - Bender 10mo ago
    Suppose you did see mickey mouse saluting Hitler Appropriate example, more than some may realize. Walt Disney and Adolf Hitler were good friends. Walt would send him a real of cartoons every month. Adolf and his senior leaders would watch it at the resort in the Alps. One may still be able to find the silent films that one of his mistresses filmed showing them watching cartoons on the projector with his senior leaders. Adolf was big into art and appreciated the work Disney created. There was a project about 15 or so years ago to use computing power to figure out what Adolf was saying based on his muscle movements since she was filming from behind him at an angle. I can't remember what the project was called. I saw it on a TV program.
yreg 10mo ago
So what? Similar videos and pictures have existed since the dawn of web. Yes, AI enables people to produce these in higher fidelity, but I don't see how it is any different to Dolan MS Paint comics. No one is going to think that Mickey doing lynching is official art, nor will they think that Mickey is a real person who has done that.
cm2012 10mo ago
People saying this have not worked with Sora before. I challenge you to generate anything even close to that.
ojr 10mo ago
Tiktok has AI moderation tools that you are highly underestimating.
- kevin_thibedeau 10mo ago
  The people making these are good at more subtle forms of hate with coded language and indirect references.
  - ojr 10mo ago
    the people making AI moderation tools are also good, and in my opinion more skilled than the abusers

It only works until Mickey Mouse shows up on your Tiktok feed lynching an African American and doing a sieg heil salute. Are you sure Disney wants that or would not care about that??

zahlman 10mo ago

The question is why it shows up on your Tiktok feed.

lp0_on_fire 10mo ago
I thought it was well known and generally accepted that the social medial companies push controversial click/rage bait to keep people “engaged”?
gosub100 10mo ago
This is a good point. Instead of policing what trolls will use it for, the same AI should be able to detect racist content and prevent it from spreading
salawat 10mo ago
Look, I've gotten cartel beheadings and beatings on a YouTube search query for Jack Russell terriers. Don't throw shade. If you haven't gotten "How the fuck did that get there?", consider yourself lucky I guess. Best I can figure, terriers have some unintentional shared vector space with much more unpleasant content.
- stOneskull 10mo ago
  terriers/terrorists
matsemann 10mo ago
This used to be a "zing", but don't think it is anymore. Try to make a new profile somewhere and select a few topics of interest. You will get suggested the most engaging "relevant" content. For me, I made a cycling Instagram and my feed instantly got filled with girls showing of cleavage in lycra with cycling hashtags.
- zahlman 10mo ago
  It was not meant as an attack on GP; it was meant as exactly this opportunity to question "the algorithm".
- array_key_first 10mo ago
  I swear to god Instagram is like the patriarchy speedrun. If it finds out you're a woman, within mere minutes it's 100% "you're fat" "try this diet" "you've GOT to buy this viral dress on shein!!" And if you're a man, it's boobs, ass, objectification, and products to make you feel more like a man. The sheer velocity at which Instagram will shovel you into capitalist-patriachy++ is shocking.
  - 71bw 10mo ago
    ...have you ever thought about the way you're using the app, then? Because I, personally, get nothing else other than dumb memes and posts from people I follow.
    - matsemann 10mo ago
      No, stop with the stupid shaming. The point was that the algorithm pushes certain content on people, no matter what they actually want to see.
      - 71bw 10mo ago
        And I said that I do not have this issue and my current account is relatively fresh, having been made in May of this year.
    - array_key_first 10mo ago
      When I say this happens in mere minutes and to everyone I know, I mean it. For the record, I don't use Instagram because it's basically always been toxic. It's one of the fastest ways to feel bad about your body and life.

docjay 10mo ago

There are clearly plenty of people who feel the same way as you, and for those people what I’m about to ask might have such an obvious answer that it could feel like I’m being rhetorical or feigning ignorance to provoke an emotional response, but it’s truly honest: Why should Disney care? To which you might say “because people care”, so: Why should people care? Back when I was a spud I used futuristic text-to-speech synthesis to make my computer say “Eye am Bill Gaytes my farts go FERT FERT FERT” - Should Bill Gates be offended? What about the people who like him? What about the Intel processor I used to create it? Or the company behind the TTS software? Would anyone think they’re involved and endorsed it? I guess the real question is: are we catering the world to people who can’t make that distinction?

array_key_first 10mo ago
People care because it's entirely unconscious. Even if you choose not to care, you can't, because you've already seen it. The way advertisement works is that it's brain hacking - it's just associations. Over time your brain associates a brand with a product or products, and then simply by having this association in your brain you're more likely to buy the product. This also works for negative advertisement. Think about it. Suppose you did see mickey mouse saluting Hitler, or maybe you saw mickey mouse stick a jar up his little rat ass. When you see mickey mouse, undoubtedly, even if just for a second, your mind will think about what you saw before. You might discount it immediately, but the damage is done. You still feel that emotion, even if only for a split second, and you have been influenced by it.
- Bender 10mo ago
  Suppose you did see mickey mouse saluting Hitler Appropriate example, more than some may realize. Walt Disney and Adolf Hitler were good friends. Walt would send him a real of cartoons every month. Adolf and his senior leaders would watch it at the resort in the Alps. One may still be able to find the silent films that one of his mistresses filmed showing them watching cartoons on the projector with his senior leaders. Adolf was big into art and appreciated the work Disney created. There was a project about 15 or so years ago to use computing power to figure out what Adolf was saying based on his muscle movements since she was filming from behind him at an angle. I can't remember what the project was called. I saw it on a TV program.

yreg 10mo ago

So what? Similar videos and pictures have existed since the dawn of web. Yes, AI enables people to produce these in higher fidelity, but I don't see how it is any different to Dolan MS Paint comics. No one is going to think that Mickey doing lynching is official art, nor will they think that Mickey is a real person who has done that.

cm2012 10mo ago

People saying this have not worked with Sora before. I challenge you to generate anything even close to that.

ojr 10mo ago

Tiktok has AI moderation tools that you are highly underestimating.

kevin_thibedeau 10mo ago
The people making these are good at more subtle forms of hate with coded language and indirect references.
- ojr 10mo ago
  the people making AI moderation tools are also good, and in my opinion more skilled than the abusers