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Amen. Blaming Disney for bad content is like blaming politicians. Who asked for the content? Who elected the politicians? [Jiminy] crickets

Amen. Blaming Disney for bad content is like blaming politicians. Who asked for the content? Who elected the politicians? **[Jiminy] crickets**

AznHisoka 11mo ago
Garbage in, garbage out, as someone wise once said
armenarmen 11mo ago
Fwiw I think the all US presidents since Clinton were elected on a non interventionist/pacifist campaign. Blaming the voters when every one of them (less so with Biden) violated those promises is a bit unfair, if you still believe in democracy.
- dragonwriter 11mo ago
  Almost every one of them was elected again, often by wider margins (the only exception losing to another one of them) after deatroying any illusion innthat direction you might argue was produced by their campaign positions, so I don't think you can absolved the American electorate here, even if one agrees that their campaign before taking office met your description.
  - caminante 11mo ago
    The parent's claim is effortlessly debunked. Bush sure wasn't anti-interventionist for the second term after entering the Iraq War 2.0. Even Obama campaigned to persist the "necessary" Afghanistan war.
- catlover76 11mo ago
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- wat10000 11mo ago
  Blaming the voters seems completely sensible when they reelected W in 2004. The man's Vice President was Dick freakin' Cheney. You can't seriously tell me the people voted for pacifism and got screwed over.
- eli_gottlieb 11mo ago
  I don't recall George W. Bush ever actually promising to stay out of wars and interventions. It's been standard for the two parties to criticize each-other on grounds of doing interventionism badly or going too far towards one extreme regarding foreign policy, but nobody has run as a real pacifist or isolationist because they would lose in a landslide. It especially doesn't help that pacifism and isolationism are associated with activist fringes in both parties who often lean into crank theories or make friends publicly with adversarial states.
wat10000 11mo ago
We can acknowledge that people are terrible, while also wanting people not to cater to the lowest common denominator.
- caminante 11mo ago
  You appear to be lost. Who said and where's the "false dichotomy" you allude to in the discussion above?
  - wat10000 11mo ago
    I read your comment as saying that we should blame the people who create the demand for Disney's products, and the voters who elect the politicians, instead of Disney and the politicians. Not so?
    - caminante 11mo ago
      No, comparative blame is fair for all parties. The context is messy, but my comment's in the context of rejecting blame on Disney alone for "losing their way" when they have had the same way (read: $$$) as before and they're delivering products people want.

Amen. Blaming Disney for bad content is like blaming politicians. Who asked for the content? Who elected the politicians? **[Jiminy] crickets**

AznHisoka 11mo ago

Garbage in, garbage out, as someone wise once said

armenarmen 11mo ago

Fwiw I think the all US presidents since Clinton were elected on a non interventionist/pacifist campaign. Blaming the voters when every one of them (less so with Biden) violated those promises is a bit unfair, if you still believe in democracy.

dragonwriter 11mo ago
Almost every one of them was elected again, often by wider margins (the only exception losing to another one of them) after deatroying any illusion innthat direction you might argue was produced by their campaign positions, so I don't think you can absolved the American electorate here, even if one agrees that their campaign before taking office met your description.
- caminante 11mo ago
  The parent's claim is effortlessly debunked. Bush sure wasn't anti-interventionist for the second term after entering the Iraq War 2.0. Even Obama campaigned to persist the "necessary" Afghanistan war.
catlover76 11mo ago
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wat10000 11mo ago
Blaming the voters seems completely sensible when they reelected W in 2004. The man's Vice President was Dick freakin' Cheney. You can't seriously tell me the people voted for pacifism and got screwed over.
eli_gottlieb 11mo ago
I don't recall George W. Bush ever actually promising to stay out of wars and interventions. It's been standard for the two parties to criticize each-other on grounds of doing interventionism badly or going too far towards one extreme regarding foreign policy, but nobody has run as a real pacifist or isolationist because they would lose in a landslide. It especially doesn't help that pacifism and isolationism are associated with activist fringes in both parties who often lean into crank theories or make friends publicly with adversarial states.

wat10000 11mo ago

We can acknowledge that people are terrible, while also wanting people not to cater to the lowest common denominator.

caminante 11mo ago
You appear to be lost. Who said and where's the "false dichotomy" you allude to in the discussion above?
- wat10000 11mo ago
  I read your comment as saying that we should blame the people who create the demand for Disney's products, and the voters who elect the politicians, instead of Disney and the politicians. Not so?
  - caminante 11mo ago
    No, comparative blame is fair for all parties. The context is messy, but my comment's in the context of rejecting blame on Disney alone for "losing their way" when they have had the same way (read: $$$) as before and they're delivering products people want.