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EVs seem to run $10-15k more than the equivalent ICE - I tried everything I could but couldn't make it worthwhile due to constraints on what is available and in
by bombcar 11mo ago
EVs seem to run $10-15k more than the equivalent ICE - I tried everything I could but couldn't make it worthwhile due to constraints on what is available and inability to get the subsidies.
- alephnerd 11mo agoThat's why it's at the same point as Hybrids were 15 years ago. Yet Hybrids have now largely replacing traditional ICE. I think a similar trend will happen for EVs as well within 10-15 years once the current generation of cars are replaced.
- t-3 11mo agoHybrids are useful for people without garages though - the total market is much larger than for EVs, which are pretty exclusively a product for homeowners, and usually not the only vehicle either. EVs will always be a niche unless the charging infrastructure problem is solved.
- coldpie 11mo agoI agree with your overall point (and I'm pretty confident improved infrastructure will fix the problem for non-homeowners... eventually), but I didn't understand this part: > usually not the only vehicle either It doesn't seem like EV or not would make a difference for whether to have more than one vehicle? My wife and I have shared one car, first ICE and now EV, for more than a decade and it didn't make a difference in our habits.
- t-3 11mo agoThere's no real reason with modern EVs unless you really love road trips, but I feel like I very rarely meet or hear of EV owners who don't own more than one vehicle. That's probably less of a thing now that most new EVs have decent range.
- Rover222 11mo agoThe lightly-used EV market is where it's at, for now.
- rtkwe 11mo ago100% let someone else eat the initial depreciation hit from going from new to used and you can usually get one with pretty low mileage too.
- bluGill 11mo agoSo far, but it is hard to find good EVs on the used market. Sometimes you can, but at the moment I'm looking and there just are not many options at all.
- Rover222 11mo agoA 1 or 2 yr old Model Y is a great EV...
- bluGill 11mo agoIs it? Will I be able to get parts for it 15 years from now? Will I be able to repair it myself? (I have rebuilt engines before, and I'm planning to replace the transmission in my truck myself this year, so DIY ability is important to me). There have been headlines recently about how unreliable Tesla is.
- rtkwe 11mo agoTransmissions on EVs are generally single stage speed reduction so yes in the extremely rare chance you need to repair it you can. The motors are way harder to repair but they're similarly way less likely to need repair. Other part availability will vary by brand just like with ICE cars/trucks there's nothing magically less available if we're looking at new parts, older common parts there's a bit of a difference just from the designs being newer so there's a smaller population of junked cars to pull random EV pumps off of the way you can with some old car parts.
- coldpie 11mo agoYeah, that's why that poster said "upfront" costs. EVs are like 10+ times cheaper than ICE cars in the long term, but we're making our children pay most of the costs of the ICE version, so it's cheaper for us. Yay for us, I guess?
- bluGill 11mo agoThere are a lot of "it depends" in the math, it takes somewhere around 60-80k miles to break even on the $10k difference. Most new car owners only keep the car for around 30,000 miles (leases are often 3 years, max of 32,000 miles). And so far EVs are not holding their value as well as ICE cars so a few more miles. Long term EVs are a lot cheaper, but for the new car buyer they don't make financial sense yet. (new car buyers also get a warranty so additional costs are cheap - $600 for oil changes over that time if they buy the most expensive dealer package, and a lot less if they go elsewhere)