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>I say this with no snark or disdain: Sam has mastered the art of the flywheel. It's been his entire career. Guy has made billions of dollars from talking.

by ramesh31 10mo ago

irishcoffee 10mo ago
Yeah, he’s a sociopath
- nish__ 10mo ago
  He's taking from Disney and Microsoft though so I see no moral issues.
  - DANmode 10mo ago
    Who does Disney and Microsoft get their money from? Groups like this aren’t singular entities.
    - nish__ 10mo ago
      Americans mostly. Both abuse copyright law to profit off of works done by creators/inventors of the past. Neither contribute much to humanity these days.
  - irishcoffee 10mo ago
    What if he’s wrong? He doesn’t care. It could however, be pretty fucking shitty for the US/World economy. He don’t care.
    - nish__ 10mo ago
      What if who's wrong? Sam? If right means turning a profit, he's most certainly wrong. It would be a very stupid investment to give money to him but it turns out there no shortage of dumb money. Can't blame the guy for taking money people are literally throwing at him. If you know anything about the guy he has no interest in business or profit. He just wants to create AGI. Mostly out of curiosity it seems.
- sidewndr46 10mo ago
  I can't really see how Altman is a sociopath? I think his current vision greatly exceeds the technical capabilities that OpenAI can ever build. OpenAI seems to have produced some genuinely interesting products on the other hand. But they aren't profitable at present and I don't see it happening. Altman talks to the talk of a CEO who is going to build a company that can change the world. It's what investors want to hear. He seems to make as many attempts as possible to actually execute on that. I think most of those plans are unlikely to be as successful as desired. But this isn't Theranos level fraud, where what they are trying to build is obviously impossible.
650REDHAIR 10mo ago
Kept failing upwards after Loopt. Frustratingly impressive.
- incanus77 10mo ago
  Never forget the double polo.
zpeti 10mo ago
Has he made billions? He's obviously done well but I'm not sure he has been able to capture any value from openai except for publicity, and what else does he have? A few $10m from loopt and ycombinator?
- ramesh31 10mo ago
  >Has he made billions? He's obviously done well but I'm not sure he has been able to capture any value from openai except for publicity, and what else does he have? Forbes has him at $2.2bn, mostly from Reddit and Stripe https://www.forbes.com/profile/sam-altman/ https://www.forbes.com/profile/sam-altman/
sidewndr46 10mo ago
Isn't that the case for most ultra-rich CEOs? All of the CEOs of Microsoft apparently started off either building product or helping develop the business into something profitable. But at some point it doesn't really matter if you have the skills to be an individual contributor, a team leader, or even a vice president. The role of CEO mostly is to keep investors happy & secondarily to put the right people in the company together to make things happen.

>I say this with no snark or disdain: Sam has mastered the art of the flywheel. It's been his entire career. Guy has made billions of dollars from talking.

irishcoffee 10mo ago

Yeah, he’s a sociopath

nish__ 10mo ago
He's taking from Disney and Microsoft though so I see no moral issues.
- DANmode 10mo ago
  Who does Disney and Microsoft get their money from? Groups like this aren’t singular entities.
  - nish__ 10mo ago
    Americans mostly. Both abuse copyright law to profit off of works done by creators/inventors of the past. Neither contribute much to humanity these days.
- irishcoffee 10mo ago
  What if he’s wrong? He doesn’t care. It could however, be pretty fucking shitty for the US/World economy. He don’t care.
  - nish__ 10mo ago
    What if who's wrong? Sam? If right means turning a profit, he's most certainly wrong. It would be a very stupid investment to give money to him but it turns out there no shortage of dumb money. Can't blame the guy for taking money people are literally throwing at him. If you know anything about the guy he has no interest in business or profit. He just wants to create AGI. Mostly out of curiosity it seems.
sidewndr46 10mo ago
I can't really see how Altman is a sociopath? I think his current vision greatly exceeds the technical capabilities that OpenAI can ever build. OpenAI seems to have produced some genuinely interesting products on the other hand. But they aren't profitable at present and I don't see it happening. Altman talks to the talk of a CEO who is going to build a company that can change the world. It's what investors want to hear. He seems to make as many attempts as possible to actually execute on that. I think most of those plans are unlikely to be as successful as desired. But this isn't Theranos level fraud, where what they are trying to build is obviously impossible.

650REDHAIR 10mo ago

Kept failing upwards after Loopt. Frustratingly impressive.

incanus77 10mo ago
Never forget the double polo.

zpeti 10mo ago

Has he made billions? He's obviously done well but I'm not sure he has been able to capture any value from openai except for publicity, and what else does he have? A few $10m from loopt and ycombinator?

ramesh31 10mo ago
>Has he made billions? He's obviously done well but I'm not sure he has been able to capture any value from openai except for publicity, and what else does he have? Forbes has him at $2.2bn, mostly from Reddit and Stripe https://www.forbes.com/profile/sam-altman/ https://www.forbes.com/profile/sam-altman/

sidewndr46 10mo ago

Isn't that the case for most ultra-rich CEOs? All of the CEOs of Microsoft apparently started off either building product or helping develop the business into something profitable. But at some point it doesn't really matter if you have the skills to be an individual contributor, a team leader, or even a vice president. The role of CEO mostly is to keep investors happy & secondarily to put the right people in the company together to make things happen.