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Trends and beliefs based on culture, real or otherwise, are one thing. The allegation is grooming: that one group of people is actively persuading another.

hackinthebochs 10mo ago
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- exasperaited 10mo ago
  OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist? If you're going to broaden the definition of grooming so absurdly to include normal things in culture you just don't like then it seems like you should allow people to conclude your intent is to diminish the seriousness of things that actually are grooming.
  - hackinthebochs 10mo ago
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    - exasperaited 10mo ago
      You are broadening this out to the point that is absurd and would excuse cracking down on almost any liberalisation, in a way that is kind of prurient. Honestly it's rather creepy and I hope you one day consider what you are saying.
      - hackinthebochs 10mo ago
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        exasperaited 10mo ago
        Grooming of a person in a non-abuse setting involves deliberately changing the environment around an individual who does not yet feel they could be someone's successor or confidently exhibit the qualities or experience needed. Again: it is an active, targeted process aimed at someone who does not necessarily know they are being changed. Grooming has never been as broad a concept as you are talking about such that it just means changes in the moral or social landscape that some find undesirable. It has always meant a form of targeted attention (even in the literal sense of care and attention to a specific animal). Social liberalisation you do not care for is not grooming. I won't keep you any longer.
        hackinthebochs 10mo ago
        Yes, an active targeted process. No, it doesn't have to be aimed at "someone". It can be aimed at creating an environment conducive to one's interested in some class of people. Yes, intentionally targeting kids with an ideology is grooming. It is preparing them to be amenable to your ideology to increase acceptance of it in the broader culture. At least that's the most innocuous reading of it.
        ceejayoz 10mo ago
        > Yes, intentionally targeting kids with an ideology is grooming. Boy Scouts? Religious youth camps? Are we banning these, too?
        kappaking 10mo ago
        Woah now, you can’t talk negatively on beloved pedophile infested organizations.
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        hackinthebochs 10mo ago
        Not saying they should be banned. Not all grooming is bad actually. But that is the purpose of ideological organizations to a large degree.
  - dragonwriter 10mo ago
    > OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist? Irrespective of the upthread discussion, MAGA is absolutely both being racist and quite actively grooming people, particularly children, to be racist. That's fairly overt.

hackinthebochs 10mo ago

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exasperaited 10mo ago
OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist? If you're going to broaden the definition of grooming so absurdly to include normal things in culture you just don't like then it seems like you should allow people to conclude your intent is to diminish the seriousness of things that actually are grooming.
- hackinthebochs 10mo ago
  [flagged]
  - exasperaited 10mo ago
    You are broadening this out to the point that is absurd and would excuse cracking down on almost any liberalisation, in a way that is kind of prurient. Honestly it's rather creepy and I hope you one day consider what you are saying.
    - hackinthebochs 10mo ago
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      - exasperaited 10mo ago
        Grooming of a person in a non-abuse setting involves deliberately changing the environment around an individual who does not yet feel they could be someone's successor or confidently exhibit the qualities or experience needed. Again: it is an active, targeted process aimed at someone who does not necessarily know they are being changed. Grooming has never been as broad a concept as you are talking about such that it just means changes in the moral or social landscape that some find undesirable. It has always meant a form of targeted attention (even in the literal sense of care and attention to a specific animal). Social liberalisation you do not care for is not grooming. I won't keep you any longer.
        hackinthebochs 10mo ago
        Yes, an active targeted process. No, it doesn't have to be aimed at "someone". It can be aimed at creating an environment conducive to one's interested in some class of people. Yes, intentionally targeting kids with an ideology is grooming. It is preparing them to be amenable to your ideology to increase acceptance of it in the broader culture. At least that's the most innocuous reading of it.
        ceejayoz 10mo ago
        > Yes, intentionally targeting kids with an ideology is grooming. Boy Scouts? Religious youth camps? Are we banning these, too?
        kappaking 10mo ago
        Woah now, you can’t talk negatively on beloved pedophile infested organizations.
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        hackinthebochs 10mo ago
        Not saying they should be banned. Not all grooming is bad actually. But that is the purpose of ideological organizations to a large degree.
- dragonwriter 10mo ago
  > OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist? Irrespective of the upthread discussion, MAGA is absolutely both being racist and quite actively grooming people, particularly children, to be racist. That's fairly overt.