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Hezbollah's own actions are significantly more targeted and have resulted in significantly fewer civilian casualties.
by sporkxrocket 10mo ago
Hezbollah's own actions are significantly more targeted and have resulted in significantly fewer civilian casualties.
- justin66 10mo ago> Hezbollah's own actions are significantly more targeted They literally fire unguided rockets in the general direction of populated areas.
- sporkxrocket 10mo agoThey did targeted strikes on military facilities. See for yourself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46226028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46226028
- UltraSane 10mo ago[flagged]
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- tptacek 10mo agoThis doesn't even make sense. Suppose Israel does lie constantly. What does that have to do with whether Hezbollah does?
- sporkxrocket 10mo ago[flagged]
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- coldtea 10mo agoParent meant this as a statement of fact (stating it's x that lies, and implying it's not y, or that x lies more than y). As such (true or not) it makes perfect sense, and requires only a very intuitive and casual understanding to get it. Your comment reads as if it was some failed attempt at some kind of axiomatic construction (x lies _therefore_ y doesn't).
- tptacek 10mo agoNo?
- sysguest 10mo agowell what's the ratio? is it 10000000 rockets fired to some region, with 1000 civilian hits, with 1 military facility hit? how do you "target" that rocket? just point it without precision?
- sporkxrocket 10mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_confl...
- sysguest 10mo agowoah just linking to wikipedia article without any substance? damn...
- sporkxrocket 10mo agoThere are extensive references in there. Feel free to back up your own assertions with documentation.
- UltraSane 10mo agoDon't be lazy and cite them
- bigyabai 10mo agoAd-hominem is the argument of last resort, according to Paul Graham's hierarchy of disagreement.
- tptacek 10mo agoThis is just luridly false, especially (but not exclusively) in the context of Hezbollah's own actions in Syria, where they made and broadcast propaganda videos of them deliberately starving Madaya. When you make claims like this, you call into question everything else you're saying; it's hard to imagine where you could have gotten this notion from.
- sporkxrocket 10mo agoWe’re talking about Israel, not Syria.
- tptacek 10mo agoIt's equally true in Israel, where Hezbollah fired tens of thousands of rockets indiscriminately, killing, among other things, a Druze children's soccer team in the Golan Heights. You can read this on Amnesty (no friend of Israel's) if you want. Again: it's hard to understand where you could getting this notion that Hezbollah attacks are highly targeted from. That is anything but their operational signature.
- sporkxrocket 10mo agoI posted plenty of videos in my other reply to you of Hezbollah attacks on Israel. They’re very clearly targeted.
- tptacek 10mo agoThey fire guided munitions at Israeli troop positions. They fire unguided rockets and mortar shells into Israeli towns. A video of a targeted Hezbollah strike doesn't illustrate anything at all; everybody points the gun when it's useful to do so, it's what you do when you don't have a combatant target that tells the actual tale. I can't say enough how odd it is to bring this kind of take into a discussion about Hezbollah. Note that I'm not making the case that Israel is fastidious about avoiding civilian casualties; that would be an unproductive argument to attempt on this thread. You have found one of the few arguments that are even less productive. https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/lebanon-hezbollahs-rocket-attacks-northern-israel-must-be-investigated-likely-war https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/lebanon-hezbollahs...
- UltraSane 10mo agoThis is completely false. They fired thousands of missiles directly at civilians. 60,000 people had to evacuate. The only reason they didn't kill thousands of people is because the Iron Dome system is so good.
- sporkxrocket 10mo ago[flagged]
- tptacek 10mo agoYou mean except for all the ones Amnesty reported, and that children's soccer team in the Golan Heights.
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- tptacek 10mo agoGood note.
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- tptacek 10mo agoI agree with you about the previous comment, which was unhelpful, but regarding Hezbollah, I'm afraid you're making claims about things you want to be true more than you are relating any actual research. It's my fault for picking this scab with you again in the first place, though.