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>grooming children into "queer" lifestyles This isn't how being queer works!

by jfindper 10mo ago

Empact 10mo ago
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- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  Now do left handedness. https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/history-of-left-handedness https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/history-of-left-handedness Did it become trendy? Or did we just stop beating it out of people?
  - hackinthebochs 10mo ago
    Now do anorexia, bulimia, or any number of social contagions. The difference between being allowed to be who you are vs. being encouraged into a lifestyle is not easy to distinguish.
    - ceejayoz 10mo ago
      Those have always been around, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anorexia_nervosa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anorexia_nervosa
- jfindper 10mo ago
  >Doesn’t the very rise and fall of trans youth identification contradict your claim? It does not, no. You cannot be "groomed" into being attracted to a different sex.
  - Empact 10mo ago
    This is about trans identification, so not to do with attraction to a particular sex.
- input_sh 10mo ago
  Or, and this is gonna sound crazy, I know, it's not because it used to be novel and cool but because young people feel less safe to come out now that the trans panic has done its thing and the current administration has spent an inconceivable amount of money, time and attention painting this marginalised community in a bad light at every perceivable opportunity to do so?
- tallanvor 10mo ago
  I can say that the data you're sharing suggests it's just as likely that the drop in numbers that your site claims started sometime between 2023 and 2024 are due to people becoming more afraid to identify as such due to Republican attempts to restrict LGBT rights and make life miserable for anyone who doesn't identify as straight
  - lostmsu 10mo ago
    Republicans in 2023?
    - pseudalopex 10mo ago
      The Republican party existed since 1854. Was your point the president in 2023 was not a Republican? Most anti trans measures were state legislation.
- exasperaited 10mo ago
  Trends and beliefs based on culture, real or otherwise, are one thing. The allegation is grooming: that one group of people is actively persuading another.
  - hackinthebochs 10mo ago
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    - exasperaited 10mo ago
      OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist? If you're going to broaden the definition of grooming so absurdly to include normal things in culture you just don't like then it seems like you should allow people to conclude your intent is to diminish the seriousness of things that actually are grooming.
      - hackinthebochs 10mo ago
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        exasperaited 10mo ago
        You are broadening this out to the point that is absurd and would excuse cracking down on almost any liberalisation, in a way that is kind of prurient. Honestly it's rather creepy and I hope you one day consider what you are saying.
        hackinthebochs 10mo ago
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        exasperaited 10mo ago
        Grooming of a person in a non-abuse setting involves deliberately changing the environment around an individual who does not yet feel they could be someone's successor or confidently exhibit the qualities or experience needed. Again: it is an active, targeted process aimed at someone who does not necessarily know they are being changed. Grooming has never been as broad a concept as you are talking about such that it just means changes in the moral or social landscape that some find undesirable. It has always meant a form of targeted attention (even in the literal sense of care and attention to a specific animal). Social liberalisation you do not care for is not grooming. I won't keep you any longer.
- II2II 10mo ago
  If another kid tells you that they're going to beat the daylights out of you to gain the acceptance of their peers, other kids get the message pretty fast and that message is to conform and to isolate the kid that is going to be the subject of the beating. It has nothing to do with adopting what's cool and rejecting what's cringe, unless you consider the current shift against human rights to be cool and supporting human rights to be cringe.
- floooop 10mo ago
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  - seethedeaduu 10mo ago
    Why do you keep making new accounts for the past year+? This was created today as well https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=vincom https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=vincom

>grooming children into "queer" lifestyles This isn't how being queer works!

Empact 10mo ago

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ceejayoz 10mo ago
Now do left handedness. https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/history-of-left-handedness https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/history-of-left-handedness Did it become trendy? Or did we just stop beating it out of people?
- hackinthebochs 10mo ago
  Now do anorexia, bulimia, or any number of social contagions. The difference between being allowed to be who you are vs. being encouraged into a lifestyle is not easy to distinguish.
  - ceejayoz 10mo ago
    Those have always been around, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anorexia_nervosa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anorexia_nervosa
jfindper 10mo ago
>Doesn’t the very rise and fall of trans youth identification contradict your claim? It does not, no. You cannot be "groomed" into being attracted to a different sex.
- Empact 10mo ago
  This is about trans identification, so not to do with attraction to a particular sex.
input_sh 10mo ago
Or, and this is gonna sound crazy, I know, it's not because it used to be novel and cool but because young people feel less safe to come out now that the trans panic has done its thing and the current administration has spent an inconceivable amount of money, time and attention painting this marginalised community in a bad light at every perceivable opportunity to do so?
tallanvor 10mo ago
I can say that the data you're sharing suggests it's just as likely that the drop in numbers that your site claims started sometime between 2023 and 2024 are due to people becoming more afraid to identify as such due to Republican attempts to restrict LGBT rights and make life miserable for anyone who doesn't identify as straight
- lostmsu 10mo ago
  Republicans in 2023?
  - pseudalopex 10mo ago
    The Republican party existed since 1854. Was your point the president in 2023 was not a Republican? Most anti trans measures were state legislation.
exasperaited 10mo ago
Trends and beliefs based on culture, real or otherwise, are one thing. The allegation is grooming: that one group of people is actively persuading another.
- hackinthebochs 10mo ago
  [flagged]
  - exasperaited 10mo ago
    OK, this means that MAGA is grooming people to be racist? If you're going to broaden the definition of grooming so absurdly to include normal things in culture you just don't like then it seems like you should allow people to conclude your intent is to diminish the seriousness of things that actually are grooming.
    - hackinthebochs 10mo ago
      [flagged]
      - exasperaited 10mo ago
        You are broadening this out to the point that is absurd and would excuse cracking down on almost any liberalisation, in a way that is kind of prurient. Honestly it's rather creepy and I hope you one day consider what you are saying.
        hackinthebochs 10mo ago
        [flagged]
        exasperaited 10mo ago
        Grooming of a person in a non-abuse setting involves deliberately changing the environment around an individual who does not yet feel they could be someone's successor or confidently exhibit the qualities or experience needed. Again: it is an active, targeted process aimed at someone who does not necessarily know they are being changed. Grooming has never been as broad a concept as you are talking about such that it just means changes in the moral or social landscape that some find undesirable. It has always meant a form of targeted attention (even in the literal sense of care and attention to a specific animal). Social liberalisation you do not care for is not grooming. I won't keep you any longer.
II2II 10mo ago
If another kid tells you that they're going to beat the daylights out of you to gain the acceptance of their peers, other kids get the message pretty fast and that message is to conform and to isolate the kid that is going to be the subject of the beating. It has nothing to do with adopting what's cool and rejecting what's cringe, unless you consider the current shift against human rights to be cool and supporting human rights to be cringe.
floooop 10mo ago
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- seethedeaduu 10mo ago
  Why do you keep making new accounts for the past year+? This was created today as well https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=vincom https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=vincom