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How was this not targeted? I was the most targeted military operation we know of. Give me any example of anything in warfare that is close to that.

thunderfork 11mo ago
Firing a projectile at an individual combatant?
- dlubarov 11mo ago
  Projectiles hit the wrong target all the time. Especially when we get into artillery or air strikes where there's no line of sight to a uniformed soldier, commanders can't be sure if they're going to hit the intended target. That's why we have the principle of proportionality rather than an impossible standard of zero collateral damage.
  - thunderfork 11mo ago
    But surely "the most targeted strike of all time" would be "a single-target strike on a visually confirmed intended individual", right? Or at least that would be more targeted than any strike without LoS?
    - dlubarov 11mo ago
      A parent comment claimed it was the most targeted “operation”, not “strike”. Some small individual strikes have 100% perfect targeting; I think the claim was about large scale operations like artillery barrages or aerial campaigns. (I think the claim is technically false if we include open field conflicts, but probably true if we narrow it to comparable environments.)
cess11 11mo ago
This was about as targeted as anti-personnel landmines, but spread out in civilian areas and detonated without any knowledge of their surroundings at the time. Because mines are untargeted and designed to maim without discrimination as to who they might hurt there is a long running effort to prohibit their use.
- raxxorraxor 11mo ago
  No, the messengers were specifically delivered to Hezbollah leadership. It is not even closely comparable.
  - cess11 11mo ago
    They were widely distributed and there was no way for the israelis to know where they were when they detonated them, which they likely did out of desperation and not because they had good reason to believe they were in such and such a position. It is fucking grim to incessantly defend state terrorism.
    - raxxorraxor 11mo ago
      You don't seem to have an inch of a problem with terrorist, islamist militants that not only terrorise Israel, they also terrorise Lebanon. Ask the Arab League. Even they define them as terrorists. Something here is grim indeed and it is not restricted to some regretable educational deficiencies.
      - cindyllm 11mo ago
        [dead]
      - cess11 11mo ago
        Why change the subject?
- dlubarov 11mo ago
  Hezbollah pagers aren't randomly lying around though, they're normally attached to Hezbollah members. These were also much smaller than any anti personnel mine. This was far more targeted than, say, any artillery strike that a commander could possibly order. Targeted doesn't mean it's impossible to harm something else. That's possible with any weapon, and far more likely with larger munitions like artillery shells.

thunderfork 11mo ago

Firing a projectile at an individual combatant?

dlubarov 11mo ago
Projectiles hit the wrong target all the time. Especially when we get into artillery or air strikes where there's no line of sight to a uniformed soldier, commanders can't be sure if they're going to hit the intended target. That's why we have the principle of proportionality rather than an impossible standard of zero collateral damage.
- thunderfork 11mo ago
  But surely "the most targeted strike of all time" would be "a single-target strike on a visually confirmed intended individual", right? Or at least that would be more targeted than any strike without LoS?
  - dlubarov 11mo ago
    A parent comment claimed it was the most targeted “operation”, not “strike”. Some small individual strikes have 100% perfect targeting; I think the claim was about large scale operations like artillery barrages or aerial campaigns. (I think the claim is technically false if we include open field conflicts, but probably true if we narrow it to comparable environments.)

cess11 11mo ago

This was about as targeted as anti-personnel landmines, but spread out in civilian areas and detonated without any knowledge of their surroundings at the time. Because mines are untargeted and designed to maim without discrimination as to who they might hurt there is a long running effort to prohibit their use.

raxxorraxor 11mo ago
No, the messengers were specifically delivered to Hezbollah leadership. It is not even closely comparable.
- cess11 11mo ago
  They were widely distributed and there was no way for the israelis to know where they were when they detonated them, which they likely did out of desperation and not because they had good reason to believe they were in such and such a position. It is fucking grim to incessantly defend state terrorism.
  - raxxorraxor 11mo ago
    You don't seem to have an inch of a problem with terrorist, islamist militants that not only terrorise Israel, they also terrorise Lebanon. Ask the Arab League. Even they define them as terrorists. Something here is grim indeed and it is not restricted to some regretable educational deficiencies.
    - cindyllm 11mo ago
      [dead]
    - cess11 11mo ago
      Why change the subject?
dlubarov 11mo ago
Hezbollah pagers aren't randomly lying around though, they're normally attached to Hezbollah members. These were also much smaller than any anti personnel mine. This was far more targeted than, say, any artillery strike that a commander could possibly order. Targeted doesn't mean it's impossible to harm something else. That's possible with any weapon, and far more likely with larger munitions like artillery shells.