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idk isn't pager operation the textbook example of "trying to avoid civilian deaths" while getting your job done? why is it "genocide"? is becoming hezbollah de

by sysguest 10mo ago

idk isn't pager operation the textbook example of "trying to avoid civilian deaths" while getting your job done? why is it "genocide"? is becoming hezbollah determined at birth? is hezbollah a race? does average civilian use walkie-talkie? even if hezbollah was a race, after its civilian attack on 2023 (beheading babies, raping and killing even foreigners), I wouldn't even care about what those guys get (also, don't say "humanity" like you represent the whole "humanity") if you ARE talking about palestinian civilians, I don't think israel can do anything more gentlemen-ly to them other than pager-operation: the other option is carpet bombing and direct invasion (which is a completely another topic)

alexander2002 10mo ago
The pager operation is illegal according to international laws. I think you should ask ICJ on way it has designated Isreal response as genocide.
- sysguest 10mo ago
  well if you know, then you can say here?
- richardfeynman 10mo ago
  The ICJ has not said Israel's response is a genocide - not in Lebanon, which is what this thread is about, nor in Gaza. “…the court decided that the Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim… it did not decide — and this is something where I’m correcting what’s often said in the media — it didn’t decide that the claim of genocide was plausible.” - ICJ head President Donoghue
- UltraSane 10mo ago
  So were the many thousands of rockets Hezbollah fired at Israel civilians between Oct 7 2023 and the pager attack but no one cared about those either.
lode 10mo ago
First of all, you are conflating Hamas and Hezbollah. Second of all, the stories about beheading of babies and mass rape on October 7, 2023 have been thoroughly debunked. Third: the pager operation caused indiscriminate explosions at places where non-combattant citizens were present. Not very gentlemen-ly (to use your words), and indeed a war crime. Fourth: What they did in Gaza is arguably worse than carpet bombing.
- UltraSane 10mo ago
  But the hundreds of concert goers who Hamas killed is very true. Remember how they paraded the broken body of that young German woman around like a disgusting hunting trophy?
  - cindyllm 10mo ago
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  - cess11 10mo ago
    How did you come up with that tally? Israel has refused to comply with requests from international investigators into the matter, likely because a lot of the casualties were due to IDF actions. I remember the footage of "that young German woman" but it is to me extremely peripheral and did a lot less of an impression than the thousands of images of destroyed baby bodies I've seen that were caused by the IDF. The criminal actions perpetrated by palestinians on October 7th 2023 were pathetic compared to what the israelis have done for decades.
    - UltraSane 10mo ago
      Claiming the IDF killed all of these people is a truly despicable lie that destroys your credibility. On 7 October 2023, the al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Palestinian nationalist Islamist political organization Hamas, initiated a sudden attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip. As part of the attack, 378 people (344 civilians and 34 security personnel) were killed and many more wounded at the Supernova Sukkot Gathering, an open-air music festival during the Jewish holiday of Shemini Atzeret near kibbutz Re'im. Hamas also took 44 people hostage, and men and women were reportedly subject to sexual and gender-based violence. Some 20 of the attackers were also killed by Israeli security forces in the area of the festival. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_music_festival_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_music_festival_massacre https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-revises-death-toll-from-2023-attack-on-music-festival-f94b4ad8 https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-revises-death-toll-from-... "I remember the footage of "that young German woman" but it is to me extremely peripheral " Then you are a horrible person. "thousands of images of destroyed baby bodies" You are just lying now.

alexander2002 10mo ago

The pager operation is illegal according to international laws. I think you should ask ICJ on way it has designated Isreal response as genocide.

sysguest 10mo ago
well if you know, then you can say here?
richardfeynman 10mo ago
The ICJ has not said Israel's response is a genocide - not in Lebanon, which is what this thread is about, nor in Gaza. “…the court decided that the Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim… it did not decide — and this is something where I’m correcting what’s often said in the media — it didn’t decide that the claim of genocide was plausible.” - ICJ head President Donoghue
UltraSane 10mo ago
So were the many thousands of rockets Hezbollah fired at Israel civilians between Oct 7 2023 and the pager attack but no one cared about those either.

lode 10mo ago

First of all, you are conflating Hamas and Hezbollah. Second of all, the stories about beheading of babies and mass rape on October 7, 2023 have been thoroughly debunked. Third: the pager operation caused indiscriminate explosions at places where non-combattant citizens were present. Not very gentlemen-ly (to use your words), and indeed a war crime. Fourth: What they did in Gaza is arguably worse than carpet bombing.

UltraSane 10mo ago
But the hundreds of concert goers who Hamas killed is very true. Remember how they paraded the broken body of that young German woman around like a disgusting hunting trophy?
- cindyllm 10mo ago
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- cess11 10mo ago
  How did you come up with that tally? Israel has refused to comply with requests from international investigators into the matter, likely because a lot of the casualties were due to IDF actions. I remember the footage of "that young German woman" but it is to me extremely peripheral and did a lot less of an impression than the thousands of images of destroyed baby bodies I've seen that were caused by the IDF. The criminal actions perpetrated by palestinians on October 7th 2023 were pathetic compared to what the israelis have done for decades.
  - UltraSane 10mo ago
    Claiming the IDF killed all of these people is a truly despicable lie that destroys your credibility. On 7 October 2023, the al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Palestinian nationalist Islamist political organization Hamas, initiated a sudden attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip. As part of the attack, 378 people (344 civilians and 34 security personnel) were killed and many more wounded at the Supernova Sukkot Gathering, an open-air music festival during the Jewish holiday of Shemini Atzeret near kibbutz Re'im. Hamas also took 44 people hostage, and men and women were reportedly subject to sexual and gender-based violence. Some 20 of the attackers were also killed by Israeli security forces in the area of the festival. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_music_festival_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_music_festival_massacre https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-revises-death-toll-from-2023-attack-on-music-festival-f94b4ad8 https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-revises-death-toll-from-... "I remember the footage of "that young German woman" but it is to me extremely peripheral " Then you are a horrible person. "thousands of images of destroyed baby bodies" You are just lying now.