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Yes. The bans are export controls. They are not banned in china. They are just banned from export in the US. Using them in china is legal in china.

by voidnap 10mo ago

ignoramous 10mo ago
> Yes. The bans are export controls. These export controls increasingly look like "tax". The White House said the US government would take a 25 percent cut of the chip’s sales, similar to a deal with AMD and Nvidia earlier this year that allowed them to sell lower-powered AI chips to China while paying the US government 15 percent of the proceeds. > Using them in China is legal in China. Technically, yes. The CCP, though, wants to incentivize Chinese firms to use domestically-manufactured chips. https://www.silicon.co.uk/e-innovation/artificial-intelligence/china-nvidia-h200-627924 https://www.silicon.co.uk/e-innovation/artificial-intelligen... / https://archive.vn/B2pah https://archive.vn/B2pah
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- htek 10mo ago
  That's Corporatism. It's from the fascist playbook where the state takes partial or complete ownership of private companies. Where does that money go, to some slush fund for the president? The reason for the export controls is to keep our potential adversaries from being on the bleeding edge of frontier AI. It goes against the US's interests to give China a leg up with advanced chips. It's almost laughable, of course, as the Nvidia chips are already manufactured in a country that China claims as their own. If they ever pressed the issue, we could find ourselves without the most advanced chips.
  - parodysbird 10mo ago
    This is not at all what is meant by fascist corporatism, nor corporatism more generally. Corporatism is more about collective bargaining by professional trades, and is not the sense of corporation as used for private companies.
- actionfromafar 10mo ago
  This recent White House is another animal. It’s just bribes all the way down.
- sh34r 10mo ago
  Add the Export Clause to the list of flagrant violations of the Constitution by this despicable regime.
- rapind 10mo ago
  > Technically, yes. The CCP, though, wants to incentivize Chinese firms to use domestically-manufactured chips. This couldn’t be playing out better for Xi. Trump is China’s best president. I used to think Trump was clueless and being outplayed, but now I realize he’s just looting and couldn’t care less about protectionism or the American worker. Every single action from this administration can be explained by greed and ego.
  - xp84 10mo ago
    > Every single action from this administration can be explained by greed and ego. I highly agree with you - and that’s coming from someone who can’t stand the Democrats[1]. Things like announcing all of a sudden that he opposes a merger when everybody knows Kushner is involved with a rival bid… it’s too obvious how much corruption is his very operating system. [1] (I didn’t vote for either candidate for President, but I’m not in a swing state so I’m not sorry)
    - pjc50 10mo ago
      The lesson from Mamdani is that the only way forwards for actual policy based and anticorruption politics is within the Democrat primaries. These are even run by the state in many states, I believe. Eradicate the Republican party as an organization, split the Democrats into "normal right" and "maybe a bit left" factions, and see if you can get preference voting in there as well while asking for a pony.

Yes. The bans are export controls. They are not banned in china. They are just banned from export in the US. Using them in china is legal in china.

by voidnap 10mo ago

Yes. The bans are export controls. They are not banned in china. They are just banned from export in the US. Using them in china is legal in china.

ignoramous 10mo ago

> Yes. The bans are export controls. These export controls increasingly look like "tax". The White House said the US government would take a 25 percent cut of the chip’s sales, similar to a deal with AMD and Nvidia earlier this year that allowed them to sell lower-powered AI chips to China while paying the US government 15 percent of the proceeds. > Using them in China is legal in China. Technically, yes. The CCP, though, wants to incentivize Chinese firms to use domestically-manufactured chips. https://www.silicon.co.uk/e-innovation/artificial-intelligence/china-nvidia-h200-627924 https://www.silicon.co.uk/e-innovation/artificial-intelligen... / https://archive.vn/B2pah https://archive.vn/B2pah

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htek 10mo ago
That's Corporatism. It's from the fascist playbook where the state takes partial or complete ownership of private companies. Where does that money go, to some slush fund for the president? The reason for the export controls is to keep our potential adversaries from being on the bleeding edge of frontier AI. It goes against the US's interests to give China a leg up with advanced chips. It's almost laughable, of course, as the Nvidia chips are already manufactured in a country that China claims as their own. If they ever pressed the issue, we could find ourselves without the most advanced chips.
- parodysbird 10mo ago
  This is not at all what is meant by fascist corporatism, nor corporatism more generally. Corporatism is more about collective bargaining by professional trades, and is not the sense of corporation as used for private companies.
actionfromafar 10mo ago
This recent White House is another animal. It’s just bribes all the way down.
sh34r 10mo ago
Add the Export Clause to the list of flagrant violations of the Constitution by this despicable regime.
rapind 10mo ago
> Technically, yes. The CCP, though, wants to incentivize Chinese firms to use domestically-manufactured chips. This couldn’t be playing out better for Xi. Trump is China’s best president. I used to think Trump was clueless and being outplayed, but now I realize he’s just looting and couldn’t care less about protectionism or the American worker. Every single action from this administration can be explained by greed and ego.
- xp84 10mo ago
  > Every single action from this administration can be explained by greed and ego. I highly agree with you - and that’s coming from someone who can’t stand the Democrats[1]. Things like announcing all of a sudden that he opposes a merger when everybody knows Kushner is involved with a rival bid… it’s too obvious how much corruption is his very operating system. [1] (I didn’t vote for either candidate for President, but I’m not in a swing state so I’m not sorry)
  - pjc50 10mo ago
    The lesson from Mamdani is that the only way forwards for actual policy based and anticorruption politics is within the Democrat primaries. These are even run by the state in many states, I believe. Eradicate the Republican party as an organization, split the Democrats into "normal right" and "maybe a bit left" factions, and see if you can get preference voting in there as well while asking for a pony.