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For the IDF, a 28.6% civilian death rate is actually quite good. Their own classified data reveals an 83% civilian casualty rate in Gaza—nearly three times wors
by ada1981 10mo ago
For the IDF, a 28.6% civilian death rate is actually quite good. Their own classified data reveals an 83% civilian casualty rate in Gaza—nearly three times worse.
The Lebanon pager attack: 12 civilians (including 2 children) killed out of 42 total deaths (28.6% civilian casualty rate).
Gaza genocide: Leaked IDF intelligence documents show 8,900 militants killed out of 53,000 total deaths as of May 2025 (83% civilian casualty rate).
- breppp 10mo agoAccording to Hezbollah sources 1500 of their terrorists were taken out of commission due to this attack. Making the death ratio 42/1500 or 3% while if only taking the civilian ratio that's even lower. Even the 12 civilian count is probably higher than reality because it is doubtful that 12 civilians had access to a military clandestine communication device https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hezbollahs-tunnels-flexible-command-weather-israels-deadly-blows-2024-09-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hezbollahs-tunnels... Regarding the leaked IDF document this was leaked to a minor blog yet cannot be seen anywhere. But let's entertain it as real, these are 8000 named Hamas terrorists known for certain by one intelligence unit in the IDF to be dead. This only means the minimum amount of Hamas terrorists, this doesn't take into account the other armed groups in Gaza that had a prewar strength of 10,000s of terrorists or the Hamas members who are only known by uncertain intelligence to have been killed. Taking that number and reducing it from the Hamas published death count (an organization that kidnapped babies for political goals, but is incapable of lying, and was caught faking death counts before) to get the civilian death count is very unscientific to be extremely mild
- ignoramous 10mo ago[flagged]
- guelo 10mo ago[flagged]
- breppp 10mo ago[flagged]
- busterarm 10mo agoHezbollah is designated as a terrorist organization by: Argentina Australia Austria Bahrain Canada Colombia Czech Republic Ecuador Estonia European Union France Germany Gulf Cooperation Council Guatemala Honduras Israel Kosovo Lithuania Netherlands New Zealand Paraguay Serbia Slovakia United Arab Emirates United Kingdom United States but calling them terrorists is biased?
- guelo 10mo agoThey're military and political personnel. Terrorist designation is a made up political thing as Trump has made obvious. Hezbollah has done nothing that Israel hasn't also done.
- busterarm 10mo agoMilitary personal wear uniforms, are clearly identifiable in their operations & movements and have standards of behavior in line with jus ad bellum & jus in bello.
- tguvot 10mo agothere is no classified idf data of 83% civilian casualty rate. there is data that idf can identify by name 17% of casualties as hamas/etc member. if there are 10 people with machine guns and rpg and you blow them up with a bomb, they don't become civilians just because you don't know their names
- ada1981 10mo agoThe IDF did not dispute this, so unclear why you are.
- breppp 10mo ago[flagged]
- ada1981 10mo agoSeems some say even the named may be fabricated: >> Sources within the Israeli intelligence community cited in the report raised concerns about how deaths were categorized, with one source claiming people were sometimes "promoted to the rank of terrorist after their death" in the database. <<
- breppp 10mo ago[flagged]
- GopherState 10mo ago[dead]
- xvedejas 10mo agoYou understate your point: the 83% rate is much, much more than 3x worse. To kill 100 intended targets, a 28.6% civilian death rate means you'll need to kill `N / (100 + N) = 0.286` (N = 40.06) civilians. With an 83% civilian death rate, to kill 100 intended targets, you need to kill `N / (100 + N) = 0.83` (N = 488) civilians. It is about 12x worse to have an 83% civilian death rate compared to a 28.6% rate.