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What's strange in this discussion of chips and export bans is there's been zero discussion of cloud access, I guess networked computers are difficult for Americ
by int32_64 10mo ago
What's strange in this discussion of chips and export bans is there's been zero discussion of cloud access, I guess networked computers are difficult for America's gerontocrats to understand.
I've rented H100s no problem on American servers and there's no KYC or anything, they let anybody do it.
- mromanuk 10mo agoYes, it’s easy, cheap and it works. Maybe they need a super big volume and all the GPUs in the same space, to guarantee minimum latency.
- sneak 10mo agoYou can’t really spend $500k on AWS without doing some form of identity disclosure.
- vidarh 10mo agoA shell company complete with directors of your preferred nationality is trivial to procure for relatively small amounts of money.
- int32_64 10mo agoThat's fair, I'm also not accessing these resources from Russia or North Korea so I imagine there's different precautions for different countries.
- dtech 10mo agoI don't think DeepSeek could do that in the volume they need
- hinkley 10mo agoIt’s always the bandwidth. Noisy neighbors or part of the Eight Fallacies and the cloud tries to pretend they don’t exist.
- biophysboy 10mo agoI mean, I thought the paranoia was about China making their own models with their own chips. If they're renting USA models via the cloud, that's "good".
- xadhominemx 10mo agoYou should really seek to actually understand an issue before you comment so arrogantly. US authorities are ok with Chinese companies accessing GPUs in overseas DCs because those DCs will still be subject any US export controls. Right now, we don’t really care if Chinese companies are building tier-2 LLMs on US gear. If China invades Taiwan or frontier models approach AGI, we will shut down those Malaysian and Thai data centers overnight.
- nish__ 10mo agoTraditional social norms are reversed online because there is no threat of immediate violence. Arrogance gets attention. Politeness gets ignored. Don't be so harsh. It's just how this generation communicates.
- hinkley 10mo agoIf the CIA shows up, Amazon is 100% going to let them rootkit those boxes. They might even have a way to do it without rebooting your servers.
- whimsicalism 10mo agosure but to do this at scale you need better control of the networking layer than they typically give you, and there will definitely be KYC at a certain point in the process
- Aunche 10mo agoOpenAi, Anthropic, etc have access to specialized network topologies from high profile relationships with cloud providers. I don't think you can get anything like that off the shelf.