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I think one must also re-evaluate how in modern times a parent can be charged (by a perfect stranger) for the crime of neglecting their child when allowing them

I think one must also re-evaluate how in modern times a parent can be charged (by a perfect stranger) for the crime of neglecting their child when allowing them to rove unrestricted outside (within reason). I've heard of this happening in both the US and Australia, the HOA mindset really needs to die.

youngNed 10mo ago
These are very very isolated outliers amplified by a media hellbent on ragebait.
- kyrra 10mo ago
  You've never tried to free-range raise your kids then. Some friends in our neighborhood had the police called on them for riding their bikes around the block, and the cops followed the kids back to their front door and then talked with the parents.
  - youngNed 10mo ago
    I have. I also, crucially, don't live in America. This article, also crucially, does not relate to America
    - WorldPeas 10mo ago
      when did kyrra mention they lived in America?
      - youngNed 10mo ago
        When they spelt neighborhood, when the kids rode around the block. When they said they live in a country where a police force follows kids on bikes The clues were all there.
Forgeties79 10mo ago
I think a huge part of that is context. Age, location, time of day, etc. I’d be curious to see numbers on this, usually it’s just asserted as “back in my day we played outside and got dirty all day!” but then I hear those same (usually now grand-) parents talk about all the tv shows/movies they watched as they espouse their views on modern media! My assumption is a lot of those people who proudly proclaim that lifestyle were raised in (segregated) suburbs and have rose tinted glasses. But I’m also making assumptions like them, so again I’m curious to find info on this.
nxor 10mo ago
Where are you from? Sweden? Denmark? Fun fact for Europe: America is quite a dangerous country. At the very least, this is why parents fear the outdoors. And much of our nature is polluted. There are cases of this. I agree it's wrong, but it's good to understand the background. And as far as the internet: I am part of the younger generation and I welcome this change. I see how it affects my generation every day.
- WorldPeas 10mo ago
  I am also from a younger generation and from a state that has experienced quite a bit of pollution, but before the popularity of the smartphone ~2012 or so, there was still much more play outside. As for crime, it has been on a downtrend for decades, and many areas are the most peaceful they've been in years¹. I admit this may still be higher than in Europe, but this is exactly the fearmongering message platforms like X try to spread to garner support for authoritarian policy [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
  - nxor 10mo ago
    1. I am not saying people are playing outside at the same levels. 2. I live in the rust belt and don't need to be told what I see is fearmongering. I have been personally affected by it.
- bigfishrunning 10mo ago
  America isn't universally dangerous, but it is very diverse. Where I am (Western Pennsylvania) there are kids outside running around all the time (maybe less now that it's very cold out). It just depends where in the country you are.
  - nxor 10mo ago
    This might interest you: No Such Thing as Bad Weather by Linda McGurk I read this book in school and it's about this difference between Europe / Scandinavia and a rural part of Indiana I'm not saying kids don't play outside, just that the violence is why some parents fear it. I agree the internet makes this fear worse but frankly, EVEN ONE CRIME is scary enough if you ask me A 26 year old girl was set on fire in Chicago public transportation. It's really unforgiveable to me when people then say I'm "fearmongering" Yes, I fear being attacked on public transport!
JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
> a parent can be charged (by a perfect stranger) for the crime of neglecting their child when allowing them to rove unrestricted outside This is more about criminalising poverty than anything about parenting. I live in a rich part of Wyoming. The kids are fucking feral.
- genghisjahn 10mo ago
  I live in Philadelphia in Mt Airy. I see kids of all races around all the time. Sometimes my kids. The only place I read about parents being jailed for their kids being outside is HN.

youngNed 10mo ago

These are very very isolated outliers amplified by a media hellbent on ragebait.

kyrra 10mo ago
You've never tried to free-range raise your kids then. Some friends in our neighborhood had the police called on them for riding their bikes around the block, and the cops followed the kids back to their front door and then talked with the parents.
- youngNed 10mo ago
  I have. I also, crucially, don't live in America. This article, also crucially, does not relate to America
  - WorldPeas 10mo ago
    when did kyrra mention they lived in America?
    - youngNed 10mo ago
      When they spelt neighborhood, when the kids rode around the block. When they said they live in a country where a police force follows kids on bikes The clues were all there.

Forgeties79 10mo ago

I think a huge part of that is context. Age, location, time of day, etc. I’d be curious to see numbers on this, usually it’s just asserted as “back in my day we played outside and got dirty all day!” but then I hear those same (usually now grand-) parents talk about all the tv shows/movies they watched as they espouse their views on modern media! My assumption is a lot of those people who proudly proclaim that lifestyle were raised in (segregated) suburbs and have rose tinted glasses. But I’m also making assumptions like them, so again I’m curious to find info on this.

nxor 10mo ago

Where are you from? Sweden? Denmark? Fun fact for Europe: America is quite a dangerous country. At the very least, this is why parents fear the outdoors. And much of our nature is polluted. There are cases of this. I agree it's wrong, but it's good to understand the background. And as far as the internet: I am part of the younger generation and I welcome this change. I see how it affects my generation every day.

WorldPeas 10mo ago
I am also from a younger generation and from a state that has experienced quite a bit of pollution, but before the popularity of the smartphone ~2012 or so, there was still much more play outside. As for crime, it has been on a downtrend for decades, and many areas are the most peaceful they've been in years¹. I admit this may still be higher than in Europe, but this is exactly the fearmongering message platforms like X try to spread to garner support for authoritarian policy [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
- nxor 10mo ago
  1. I am not saying people are playing outside at the same levels. 2. I live in the rust belt and don't need to be told what I see is fearmongering. I have been personally affected by it.
bigfishrunning 10mo ago
America isn't universally dangerous, but it is very diverse. Where I am (Western Pennsylvania) there are kids outside running around all the time (maybe less now that it's very cold out). It just depends where in the country you are.
- nxor 10mo ago
  This might interest you: No Such Thing as Bad Weather by Linda McGurk I read this book in school and it's about this difference between Europe / Scandinavia and a rural part of Indiana I'm not saying kids don't play outside, just that the violence is why some parents fear it. I agree the internet makes this fear worse but frankly, EVEN ONE CRIME is scary enough if you ask me A 26 year old girl was set on fire in Chicago public transportation. It's really unforgiveable to me when people then say I'm "fearmongering" Yes, I fear being attacked on public transport!

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago

> a parent can be charged (by a perfect stranger) for the crime of neglecting their child when allowing them to rove unrestricted outside This is more about criminalising poverty than anything about parenting. I live in a rich part of Wyoming. The kids are fucking feral.

genghisjahn 10mo ago
I live in Philadelphia in Mt Airy. I see kids of all races around all the time. Sometimes my kids. The only place I read about parents being jailed for their kids being outside is HN.