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The problem is that no one in NYC, rich or poor, has any confidence in the MTA's ability to properly and efficiently use these funds. This stems from a long his

The problem is that no one in NYC, rich or poor, has any confidence in the MTA's ability to properly and efficiently use these funds. This stems from a long history of incompetence and wastefulness by the MTA

stetrain 10mo ago
Sounds like a great area to advocate for improvement.
JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
> no one in NYC, rich or poor, has any confidence in the MTA's ability to properly and efficiently use these funds They're already using them, and the results show. They could have done it cheaper. But the LIRR is operating at Swiss rail efficiecies since the recent electrification and signalling improvements.
- CryptoBanker 10mo ago
  What electrification and signal improvements are you talking about? Signal upgrades are a constant thing in the MTA, both for the LIRR and the subways. They are not something that just started with congestion pricing funds. Also, efficiency was already on the upswing for the LIRR long before congestion pricing funds[1]. [1] https://www.mta.info/press-release/icymi-governor-hochul-celebrates-long-island-rail-roads-strongest-year-date https://www.mta.info/press-release/icymi-governor-hochul-cel...
  - ceejayoz 10mo ago
    Congestion pricing was agreed to in 2019. Expected revenue was used to budget quite a few projects; this caused a bit of a scare when Hochul put it on hold for a while. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/congestion-pricing-cost-hochul.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/congestion-prici...
    - CryptoBanker 10mo ago
      The loans backed by congestion pricing revenue weren't taken out until this year https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-07/ny-mta-gets-500-million-loan-backed-by-congestion-toll-revenue https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-07/ny-mta-ge... That money you're talking about was money that was already spent to implement congestion pricing
      - ceejayoz 10mo ago
        One specific loan was taken out this year. (And planning tends to preceed the actual loans.)
        CryptoBanker 10mo ago
        Planning is not the same as spending
        JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
        It’s not shovel-ready spending. But it’s absolutely part of the process, and not one you can skip in a democracy.
        CryptoBanker 10mo ago
        That article was about expenses related to implementing congestion pricing, so I'm not sure what your argument is here
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > They are not something that just started with congestion pricing funds Correct. But they’re being expanded. Early signs are there. And we have precedent to show that funding this work, and funding it sooner, works. > efficiency was already on the upswing for the LIRR long before congestion pricing funds Correct. Congestion funds accelerate that process. I spoke an inarticulately, but the point was trying to make is that we have precedence for quality and efficiency improving capital spending by the MTA. The bonds the MTA issued earlier this year double down on that. The early signs of that spending show those capital deployments are helping in the way the preceding spending did.

stetrain 10mo ago

Sounds like a great area to advocate for improvement.

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago

> no one in NYC, rich or poor, has any confidence in the MTA's ability to properly and efficiently use these funds They're already using them, and the results show. They could have done it cheaper. But the LIRR is operating at Swiss rail efficiecies since the recent electrification and signalling improvements.

CryptoBanker 10mo ago
What electrification and signal improvements are you talking about? Signal upgrades are a constant thing in the MTA, both for the LIRR and the subways. They are not something that just started with congestion pricing funds. Also, efficiency was already on the upswing for the LIRR long before congestion pricing funds[1]. [1] https://www.mta.info/press-release/icymi-governor-hochul-celebrates-long-island-rail-roads-strongest-year-date https://www.mta.info/press-release/icymi-governor-hochul-cel...
- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  Congestion pricing was agreed to in 2019. Expected revenue was used to budget quite a few projects; this caused a bit of a scare when Hochul put it on hold for a while. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/congestion-pricing-cost-hochul.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/congestion-prici...
  - CryptoBanker 10mo ago
    The loans backed by congestion pricing revenue weren't taken out until this year https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-07/ny-mta-gets-500-million-loan-backed-by-congestion-toll-revenue https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-07/ny-mta-ge... That money you're talking about was money that was already spent to implement congestion pricing
    - ceejayoz 10mo ago
      One specific loan was taken out this year. (And planning tends to preceed the actual loans.)
      - CryptoBanker 10mo ago
        Planning is not the same as spending
        JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
        It’s not shovel-ready spending. But it’s absolutely part of the process, and not one you can skip in a democracy.
        CryptoBanker 10mo ago
        That article was about expenses related to implementing congestion pricing, so I'm not sure what your argument is here
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > They are not something that just started with congestion pricing funds Correct. But they’re being expanded. Early signs are there. And we have precedent to show that funding this work, and funding it sooner, works. > efficiency was already on the upswing for the LIRR long before congestion pricing funds Correct. Congestion funds accelerate that process. I spoke an inarticulately, but the point was trying to make is that we have precedence for quality and efficiency improving capital spending by the MTA. The bonds the MTA issued earlier this year double down on that. The early signs of that spending show those capital deployments are helping in the way the preceding spending did.