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This is a widely debunked bad faith NIMBY talking point. A train, even at high frequencies, is less noise pollution than a highway or major road.

maerF0x0 11mo ago
In the house I lived it was not debunked. It was fact. The caltrain blasted it's horn hourly (or more) 24/7 within earshot of my house. I could not sleep with my window open and often slept with ear plugs even with the window closed. I get you might be tempted to spout generic statistics, but I can tell you without a doubt it was ear blistering loud up close, and sleep disturbing even 2 blocks away. Also for what it's worth you have no idea if it's good or bad faith.
- hamdingers 11mo ago
  So you would have preferred a roughly 12 lane freeway 2 blocks from your house to move the same number of people?
  - maerF0x0 11mo ago
    Perhaps, but more likely I would have preferred regulating the blasting of that damn horn.
    - hamdingers 11mo ago
      There are regulations, encourage your local government to establish a quiet zone if that's truly your issue with the train. https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing-safety-and-trespass-prevention/train-horn-rulequiet-zones https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...
driverdan 11mo ago
That's only if there are no crossings. Trains are required to sound their extremely loud horns at every crossing which can be heard from miles away.
- ceejayoz 11mo ago
  Such crossings are pretty rare in NYC, and even rarer in passenger routes there. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Level_crossings_in_New_York_City https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Level_crossings_... State/local governments can also declare a quiet zone. https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing-safety-and-trespass-prevention/train-horn-rulequiet-zones https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...
  - hamdingers 11mo ago
    Quiet zones require crossings to be up to a certain standard. If the people opposed to train noise were serious, they could pressure their local/regional gov to upgrade crossings and establish a quiet zone. This tends to be more successful than trying to prevent the train entirely.

maerF0x0 11mo ago

In the house I lived it was not debunked. It was fact. The caltrain blasted it's horn hourly (or more) 24/7 within earshot of my house. I could not sleep with my window open and often slept with ear plugs even with the window closed. I get you might be tempted to spout generic statistics, but I can tell you without a doubt it was ear blistering loud up close, and sleep disturbing even 2 blocks away. Also for what it's worth you have no idea if it's good or bad faith.

hamdingers 11mo ago
So you would have preferred a roughly 12 lane freeway 2 blocks from your house to move the same number of people?
- maerF0x0 11mo ago
  Perhaps, but more likely I would have preferred regulating the blasting of that damn horn.
  - hamdingers 11mo ago
    There are regulations, encourage your local government to establish a quiet zone if that's truly your issue with the train. https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing-safety-and-trespass-prevention/train-horn-rulequiet-zones https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...

driverdan 11mo ago

That's only if there are no crossings. Trains are required to sound their extremely loud horns at every crossing which can be heard from miles away.

ceejayoz 11mo ago
Such crossings are pretty rare in NYC, and even rarer in passenger routes there. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Level_crossings_in_New_York_City https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Level_crossings_... State/local governments can also declare a quiet zone. https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing-safety-and-trespass-prevention/train-horn-rulequiet-zones https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...
- hamdingers 11mo ago
  Quiet zones require crossings to be up to a certain standard. If the people opposed to train noise were serious, they could pressure their local/regional gov to upgrade crossings and establish a quiet zone. This tends to be more successful than trying to prevent the train entirely.