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And besides, even if lung cancer and heart attack may be the most common means of premature death, it does not entail that air pollution is the primary cause of

• cenamus 11mo ago
  Air pollution is pretty clearly correlated with reduced life expectancy, even if you don't directly die from it
  • maerF0x0 11mo ago
    Also noise pollution, and above ground trains are hella loud. (Or at least CalTrain and BART are...)
    • hamdingers 11mo ago
      This is a widely debunked bad faith NIMBY talking point. A train, even at high frequencies, is less noise pollution than a highway or major road.
      • maerF0x0 11mo ago
        In the house I lived it was not debunked. It was fact. The caltrain blasted it's horn hourly (or more) 24/7 within earshot of my house. I could not sleep with my window open and often slept with ear plugs even with the window closed. I get you might be tempted to spout generic statistics, but I can tell you without a doubt it was ear blistering loud up close, and sleep disturbing even 2 blocks away. Also for what it's worth you have no idea if it's good or bad faith.
        • hamdingers 11mo ago
          So you would have preferred a roughly 12 lane freeway 2 blocks from your house to move the same number of people?
          • maerF0x0 11mo ago
            Perhaps, but more likely I would have preferred regulating the blasting of that damn horn.
            • hamdingers 11mo ago
              There are regulations, encourage your local government to establish a quiet zone if that's truly your issue with the train. https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing-safety-and-trespass-prevention/train-horn-rulequiet-zones https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...
      • driverdan 11mo ago
        That's only if there are no crossings. Trains are required to sound their extremely loud horns at every crossing which can be heard from miles away.
        • ceejayoz 11mo ago
          Such crossings are pretty rare in NYC, and even rarer in passenger routes there. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Level_crossings_in_New_York_City https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Level_crossings_... State/local governments can also declare a quiet zone. https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing-safety-and-trespass-prevention/train-horn-rulequiet-zones https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...
          • hamdingers 11mo ago
            Quiet zones require crossings to be up to a certain standard. If the people opposed to train noise were serious, they could pressure their local/regional gov to upgrade crossings and establish a quiet zone. This tends to be more successful than trying to prevent the train entirely.
• toomuchtodo 11mo ago
  Calculating Air Pollution’s Death Toll, Across State Lines - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/climate/air-pollution-health.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/climate/air-pollution-hea... | https://archive.today/HEapE https://archive.today/HEapE - February 12th, 2020 Premature mortality related to United States cross-state air pollution - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-1983-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-1983-8 | https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-1983-8 https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-1983-8
• throw-qqqqq 11mo ago
  > I thought that smoking and bad dietary/exercise habits were the main factors While that is true, PM2.5 is still a major cause of lung cancer in non smokers, see e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11729863/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11729863/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11969995/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11969995/
  • oersted 11mo ago
    I see from your sources that lung cancer in non-smokers is still one of the top causes of death, and of course air-pollution is a primary cause of that. Good to know.
• CalRobert 11mo ago
  I can choose to eat healthy and not smoke. I can't choose not to breathe.