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@dang title has been changed to "The (successful) end of the kernel Rust experiment", since there were complaints in the articles comments from the committee me

by jlrubin 10mo ago

@dang title has been changed to "The (successful) end of the kernel Rust experiment", since there were complaints in the articles comments from the committee members that that was a sensationalization of what actually happened.

jwatte 10mo ago
"Linux kernel devs tried Rust in the kernel -- you won't BELIEVE the reaction!"
- cratermoon 10mo ago
  One weird trick kernel developers HATE
- ls-a 10mo ago
  Use linux because it now has Rust kernels. Great marketing
9rx 10mo ago
Isn't successful already implied? Unsuccessful experiments have no end unless motivation to keep trying runs out — but Rust seems to have no end to motivation behind it. Besides, if it were to ever reach the point of there being no remaining motivation, there would be no remaining motivation for those who have given up to announce that they have given up, so we'd never see the headline to begin with.
- dang 10mo ago
  We've done unsuccessful experiments on HN over the years, in the sense that they failed to achieve anything we'd hoped for and caused enough damage that we had to call them off.
  - 9rx 10mo ago
    Isn't that ultimately a loss of motivation? With enough buy in there would be a lot of reason to keep iterating towards the desired outcome despite any setbacks. That is the nature of experiments, after all. Things going horribly wrong while you are in the iteration process is an expected part of experimentation. Imagine a world where the Rust experiment hand't been going well. There is absolutely nothing stopping someone from keeping at it to prove why Rust should be there. The experiment can always live as long as someone wants to keep working on it. Experiments fundamentally can only end when successful, or when everyone gives up (leaving nobody to make the announcement). That said, consider me interested to read the announcements HN has about those abandoned experiments. Where should I look to find them?
dang 10mo ago
Thanks! This is cromulent. From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait". Therefore: when misleading please edit.

by jlrubin 10mo ago

jwatte 10mo ago

"Linux kernel devs tried Rust in the kernel -- you won't BELIEVE the reaction!"

cratermoon 10mo ago
One weird trick kernel developers HATE
ls-a 10mo ago
Use linux because it now has Rust kernels. Great marketing

9rx 10mo ago

Isn't successful already implied? Unsuccessful experiments have no end unless motivation to keep trying runs out — but Rust seems to have no end to motivation behind it. Besides, if it were to ever reach the point of there being no remaining motivation, there would be no remaining motivation for those who have given up to announce that they have given up, so we'd never see the headline to begin with.

dang 10mo ago
We've done unsuccessful experiments on HN over the years, in the sense that they failed to achieve anything we'd hoped for and caused enough damage that we had to call them off.
- 9rx 10mo ago
  Isn't that ultimately a loss of motivation? With enough buy in there would be a lot of reason to keep iterating towards the desired outcome despite any setbacks. That is the nature of experiments, after all. Things going horribly wrong while you are in the iteration process is an expected part of experimentation. Imagine a world where the Rust experiment hand't been going well. There is absolutely nothing stopping someone from keeping at it to prove why Rust should be there. The experiment can always live as long as someone wants to keep working on it. Experiments fundamentally can only end when successful, or when everyone gives up (leaving nobody to make the announcement). That said, consider me interested to read the announcements HN has about those abandoned experiments. Where should I look to find them?

dang 10mo ago

Thanks! This is cromulent. From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait". Therefore: when misleading please edit.