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by Nux 14y ago

DanBC 14y ago
> this retarded behaviour. HN has an international audience. While the word retarded appears to be common in the US it's an offensive slur in other parts of the world; especially the UK. Please, I'm not telling you not to use it, but I am gently asking you to consider using some other word instead.
- phpnode 14y ago
  Come on, it's absolutely mundane and non offensive to call a thing or a behaviour retarded, it's really only offensive when talking about disabled or unintelligent people. For example: "Steven Hawking is retarded" == offensive "The design of this chair is retarded" == inoffensive
  - DanBC 14y ago
    I'm not going to try to persuade you that a hateful slur is offensive, even when it's not being used about people. "Bob is so gay" == offensive "That chair is so gay" == probably still offensive I'm happy to agree to disagree. You don't think your use of the word is offensive - that's fine. But you don't get to tell me what I (or others) find offensive, and many people find any use of the word retarded offensive. Perhaps it's a generational thing. Are you young? (Less than 35?)
    - prodigal_erik 14y ago
      Sexual orientation (and race, because someone's sure to make the analogy) has little effect on one's public life, it's just taking society a long time to realize that it's not relevant enough to make any sense as a pejorative. I don't think we're likely to regard intelligence that way, whichever words the euphemism treadmill brings.
      - DanBC 14y ago
        Sexual orientation and skin colour are still used as insults even though sensible people agree that it's stupid to do so. > I don't think we're likely to regard intelligence that way I have no problem with people saying "This decision is dumb" or "This decision is stupid" or "This decision is idiotic". I do have a problem when people say "This decision is retarded" because that's not general stupidity, it is linked specifically to people with learning disabilities.
        prodigal_erik 14y ago
        Some, maybe all, of those words used to be diagnoses of intellectual disabilities. I don't think laymen distinguish them much at all; I was never taught to do so. If the goal is to deter everyone from showing contempt for lack of intelligence (though I don't think that's going to happen) I don't see another word with the same connotation as progress. Am I overlooking something?
        DanBC 14y ago
        The goal is not to deter people from showing contempt for lack of intelligent action. (Unless that contempt is for someone who lacks intelligence because of a disability). When someone does something stupid it is fine to call them stupid. The goal is to ask people to consider using words that are not recently (even currently) used for learning disabilities. Retard has strong links with learning disabilities. Enough time has passed that words like 'moron' has little connection to its original meaning. In time retard will have enough distance from its current use to be less hurtful. >I don't see another word with the same connotation as progress. I don't understand.
        im3w1l 14y ago
        What is the difference between being retarded due to a disability, and being stupid due to genetics? Is it just a difference of degrees? I mean both are cases of "factor outside of individuals control -> (extremely) low intelligence"

You don't even need to do much, GMail top posts by default without a way to disable this retarded behaviour.

by Nux 14y ago

You don't even need to do much, GMail top posts by default without a way to disable this retarded behaviour.

DanBC 14y ago

> this retarded behaviour. HN has an international audience. While the word retarded appears to be common in the US it's an offensive slur in other parts of the world; especially the UK. Please, I'm not telling you not to use it, but I am gently asking you to consider using some other word instead.

phpnode 14y ago
Come on, it's absolutely mundane and non offensive to call a thing or a behaviour retarded, it's really only offensive when talking about disabled or unintelligent people. For example: "Steven Hawking is retarded" == offensive "The design of this chair is retarded" == inoffensive
- DanBC 14y ago
  I'm not going to try to persuade you that a hateful slur is offensive, even when it's not being used about people. "Bob is so gay" == offensive "That chair is so gay" == probably still offensive I'm happy to agree to disagree. You don't think your use of the word is offensive - that's fine. But you don't get to tell me what I (or others) find offensive, and many people find any use of the word retarded offensive. Perhaps it's a generational thing. Are you young? (Less than 35?)
  - prodigal_erik 14y ago
    Sexual orientation (and race, because someone's sure to make the analogy) has little effect on one's public life, it's just taking society a long time to realize that it's not relevant enough to make any sense as a pejorative. I don't think we're likely to regard intelligence that way, whichever words the euphemism treadmill brings.
    - DanBC 14y ago
      Sexual orientation and skin colour are still used as insults even though sensible people agree that it's stupid to do so. > I don't think we're likely to regard intelligence that way I have no problem with people saying "This decision is dumb" or "This decision is stupid" or "This decision is idiotic". I do have a problem when people say "This decision is retarded" because that's not general stupidity, it is linked specifically to people with learning disabilities.
      - prodigal_erik 14y ago
        Some, maybe all, of those words used to be diagnoses of intellectual disabilities. I don't think laymen distinguish them much at all; I was never taught to do so. If the goal is to deter everyone from showing contempt for lack of intelligence (though I don't think that's going to happen) I don't see another word with the same connotation as progress. Am I overlooking something?
        DanBC 14y ago
        The goal is not to deter people from showing contempt for lack of intelligent action. (Unless that contempt is for someone who lacks intelligence because of a disability). When someone does something stupid it is fine to call them stupid. The goal is to ask people to consider using words that are not recently (even currently) used for learning disabilities. Retard has strong links with learning disabilities. Enough time has passed that words like 'moron' has little connection to its original meaning. In time retard will have enough distance from its current use to be less hurtful. >I don't see another word with the same connotation as progress. I don't understand.
        im3w1l 14y ago
        What is the difference between being retarded due to a disability, and being stupid due to genetics? Is it just a difference of degrees? I mean both are cases of "factor outside of individuals control -> (extremely) low intelligence"