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>Besides, why would you want to come if you don’t like it here? There's a difference between saying that you disagree with the way that a country is being run,
by daveoc64 10mo ago
>Besides, why would you want to come if you don’t like it here?
There's a difference between saying that you disagree with the way that a country is being run, and wanting to be violent or pursue criminal activity against that country or its people.
What you're missing is that the former should be legal in any democracy (and is in the UK), and the latter shouldn't be legal anywhere (and isn't in the UK).
You're claiming the UK lacks "freedom of speech" because it doesn't allow people to incite violence online, while saying the USA has free speech, despite it seemingly rejecting visitors for legal political speech.
I know which side of the pond I'd rather be on.
- cess11 10mo ago'You're claiming the UK lacks "freedom of speech" because it doesn't allow people to incite violence online, while saying the USA has free speech, despite it seemingly rejecting visitors for legal political speech.' Voicing support for the group Palestine Action has been met with quite harsh responses in the UK, even though that group is arguably non-violent in that its criminal actions are directed towards property with the aim of slowing actual violence. There are other similar developments in UK state policy.
- hermitcrab 10mo ago>Voicing support for the group Palestine Action has been met with quite harsh responses in the UK, even though that group is arguably non-violent That was my opinion. However one of them was alleged at a recent trial to have hit and injured a policewoman with a sledgehammer.
- cess11 10mo agoVideo from the incident: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-obhMBSWi4c https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-obhMBSWi4c BBC reporting: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o The accused person claims to have panicked due to how the police were interfering. If I understand the article correctly the cop was off work for three months due to the injury.
- hermitcrab 10mo agoI hadn't seen that video. Now that i have, I am none the wiser.
- jjgreen 10mo agoCraig Murray's take: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/12/the-filton-trial/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/12/the-filton-t...
- rayiner 10mo ago> You're claiming the UK lacks "freedom of speech" because it doesn't allow people to incite violence online, while saying the USA has free speech, despite it seemingly rejecting visitors for legal political speech. Free speech means the country must tolerate what citizens say; it does not mean the country can't exercise its discretion over its borders to bar entry to foreigners who say things citizens don't like.
- andor 10mo agoFree speech is generally considered a human right that should apply to anyone, not just citizens. It's the basis of democracy, and a healthy democracy does not reject a visitor just because they criticized its government.
- rayiner 10mo agoTo the contrary, it's pro-democratic. In a healthy democracy, people should be able to vote to create the kind of society they want. That includes being able to exclude, through their government, outsiders who don't share their values.
- sapphicsnail 10mo agoMost people don't want someone hauled off to a blacksite for posting a JD Vance meme
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- raw_anon_1111 10mo agoNext up, in a society you should make sure that people you want to exclude have to drink from certain water fountains, can’t be in the same pool and go to separate schools…
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