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Hopefully never. Abusing Intra-frames from video codecs is an abomination. Use JPEG-XL.

by gsich 10mo ago

debugnik 10mo ago
On the web? Good luck. AVIF is considered a baseline browser feature as of last year by the W3C; whereas JPEG XL is not fully supported by any stable browser release whatsoever, only Safari has been shipping partial support.
- gsich 10mo ago
  Until Google (and by proxy their underling Mozilla) becomes sane again, JPG or PNG/SVG depending on content.
- notpushkin 10mo ago
  It might change now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46033330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46033330
jitl 10mo ago
My Fujifilm X100VI shoots HEIC/HEIF, which is like the AVIF of H.265/HEVC. It seems to offer better compression than JPEG while having smaller file size. iPhone does this too. Why are you calling it an abomination?
- shmerl 10mo ago
  Cameras should start using AVIF. HEIF is completely DOA for anything, same as H.265 is.
  - lern_too_spel 10mo ago
    HEIF is the container format shared by AVIF and HEIC.
    - shmerl 10mo ago
      Yeah, good point. I meant HEIC (image codec), not the container.
  - jitl 10mo ago
    I hope everyone switches over to AV1 or AV2 stills so we can have completely open image pipelines but It’s silly to say something is “DOA” when it’s been in use for 9 years (since 2017) by one of the world’s most popular consumer cameras (iPhone) and is now popping up in high end cameras. The company I work for (Notion) long ago had to start supporting HEIF uploads because a ton of our users expect their pictures to just work.
    - shmerl 10mo ago
      It'd still call it DOA if Apple are the only ones keeping it around. No one else is and no one else really cares. Also I think they have an ulterior motive - they are part of those who profit from patents on it. So they likely want to keep it around longer than others.
      - jitl 10mo ago
        Android also seems to use it, on some devices (default in the stock camera app?). So does Sony. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hopefully never. Abusing Intra-frames from video codecs is an abomination. Use JPEG-XL.

by gsich 10mo ago

Hopefully never. Abusing Intra-frames from video codecs is an abomination. Use JPEG-XL.

On the web? Good luck. AVIF is considered a baseline browser feature as of last year by the W3C; whereas JPEG XL is not fully supported by any stable browser release whatsoever, only Safari has been shipping partial support.

gsich 10mo ago
Until Google (and by proxy their underling Mozilla) becomes sane again, JPG or PNG/SVG depending on content.
notpushkin 10mo ago
It might change now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46033330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46033330

jitl 10mo ago

My Fujifilm X100VI shoots HEIC/HEIF, which is like the AVIF of H.265/HEVC. It seems to offer better compression than JPEG while having smaller file size. iPhone does this too. Why are you calling it an abomination?

shmerl 10mo ago
Cameras should start using AVIF. HEIF is completely DOA for anything, same as H.265 is.
- lern_too_spel 10mo ago
  HEIF is the container format shared by AVIF and HEIC.
  - shmerl 10mo ago
    Yeah, good point. I meant HEIC (image codec), not the container.
- jitl 10mo ago
  I hope everyone switches over to AV1 or AV2 stills so we can have completely open image pipelines but It’s silly to say something is “DOA” when it’s been in use for 9 years (since 2017) by one of the world’s most popular consumer cameras (iPhone) and is now popping up in high end cameras. The company I work for (Notion) long ago had to start supporting HEIF uploads because a ton of our users expect their pictures to just work.
  - shmerl 10mo ago
    It'd still call it DOA if Apple are the only ones keeping it around. No one else is and no one else really cares. Also I think they have an ulterior motive - they are part of those who profit from patents on it. So they likely want to keep it around longer than others.
    - jitl 10mo ago
      Android also seems to use it, on some devices (default in the stock camera app?). So does Sony. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯