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Really? Just because its structured like waterfall doesn't mean its "how to do waterfall". I read the req spec and there isn't a thing on here that isn't valuab

Really? Just because its structured like waterfall doesn't mean its "how to do waterfall". I read the req spec and there isn't a thing on here that isn't valuable information for every engineer no matter what process they use. Read what it actually covers and the topics they test and tell me there's something on there that is completely useless.

eropple 14y ago
UML, unless you live in the land of too-tight blue ties.
- davidcuddeback 14y ago
  UML is very useful to communicate ideas and designs to the rest of your team. It doesn't have to be 100% strict UML. It just has to get the point across. I use http://www.asciiflow.com/ http://www.asciiflow.com/ to make simple UML diagrams that I add to my code when it helps clarify the code's structure. So I disagree that you have to "live in the land of too-tight blue ties" to find UML useful.
  - eropple 14y ago
    > It doesn't have to be 100% strict UML. It just has to get the point across. So, not-UML?
    - davidcuddeback 14y ago
      When you write a text message without proper punctuation or capitalization, do you say that's not English because it doesn't follow strict grammar rules? No. It's less formal English, but it's still English.
      - eropple 14y ago
        Bad analogy. If I have <a><b>something</a></b> I do say it's not XML.
spamizbad 14y ago
Couldn't disagree more. If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck... I've worked in waterfall shops. Sections I through V are very similar to what we aspired to do. Look, it's not like this knowledge is worthless. It's just that what is outlined in these sections is a very thorough but expensive ($$$ and labor) and time-consuming process that that when put into practice often insulates itself from the business problem at hand. Just because it looks good on paper does not mean it will look good when you start applying it to the real world with real people. I'll say this: If you want to participate in an organization that is culturally waterfall and practices waterfall this certification will prove quite valuable. Anywhere else though, and you might give the impression you're not a good "culture fit" for the organization.
- demian 14y ago
  But "activities" are not "phases". You are always trying to get the requirements right, the difference is that some people get them while coding, and others before even start designing.
Morendil 14y ago
> Really? Just because its structured like waterfall doesn't mean its "how to do waterfall". That's funny.

eropple 14y ago

UML, unless you live in the land of too-tight blue ties.

davidcuddeback 14y ago
UML is very useful to communicate ideas and designs to the rest of your team. It doesn't have to be 100% strict UML. It just has to get the point across. I use http://www.asciiflow.com/ http://www.asciiflow.com/ to make simple UML diagrams that I add to my code when it helps clarify the code's structure. So I disagree that you have to "live in the land of too-tight blue ties" to find UML useful.
- eropple 14y ago
  > It doesn't have to be 100% strict UML. It just has to get the point across. So, not-UML?
  - davidcuddeback 14y ago
    When you write a text message without proper punctuation or capitalization, do you say that's not English because it doesn't follow strict grammar rules? No. It's less formal English, but it's still English.
    - eropple 14y ago
      Bad analogy. If I have <a><b>something</a></b> I do say it's not XML.

spamizbad 14y ago

Couldn't disagree more. If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck... I've worked in waterfall shops. Sections I through V are very similar to what we aspired to do. Look, it's not like this knowledge is worthless. It's just that what is outlined in these sections is a very thorough but expensive ($$$ and labor) and time-consuming process that that when put into practice often insulates itself from the business problem at hand. Just because it looks good on paper does not mean it will look good when you start applying it to the real world with real people. I'll say this: If you want to participate in an organization that is culturally waterfall and practices waterfall this certification will prove quite valuable. Anywhere else though, and you might give the impression you're not a good "culture fit" for the organization.

demian 14y ago
But "activities" are not "phases". You are always trying to get the requirements right, the difference is that some people get them while coding, and others before even start designing.

Morendil 14y ago

> Really? Just because its structured like waterfall doesn't mean its "how to do waterfall". That's funny.