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Seems that this is apples modus operandi since the app store, their last "thing" they've made really. Hype about self driving cars -> apple chases it with appl

by asdff 11mo ago

Seems that this is apples modus operandi since the app store, their last "thing" they've made really. Hype about self driving cars -> apple chases it with apple car -> investors pleased they kept up with the joneses -> apple car is behind or not good enough or whatever -> quietly cancelled -> investors pleased they culled the deadweight. You can replace apple car with vision pro or soon apple intelligence and it will play out the same formula. Luckily it allows investors to profit.

jerf 11mo ago
You know I would be happy to offer this service to investors for a mere tens of millions of dollars. I'll send you photos of our weekly money bonfire, built with your money, and when you're tired of pictures of your money on fire, I'll simply... stop. Heck, in accordance with the several zeitgeists of our age, I'll even do you the solid of fraudulently generating the money-on-fire pictures with AI, so when you get tired of seeing your money on fire I'll even hand, say, 25% of it back to you, as the result of my tireless efforts to bring value to my shareholders. That's a better return than you'll get from most of these investments!
johnfn 11mo ago
How does the Vision Pro not qualify as a "thing" Apple made?
- guywithahat 11mo ago
  They completely revolutionized laptop processors, were the first to put meaningful health data in watches, and created the first good bluetooth earbuds, but I guess they don't do things anymore.
  - ajross 11mo ago
    > They completely revolutionized laptop processors Tough love: no, they didn't. 99.9% of consumers simply can't detect a performance difference between an M4 Air and a junky Asus box (and what ones can will announce that games run much better on the windows shipwreck!), and while the Air has a huge power delta no one cares because the windows thing still lasts for 6+ hours. Apple absolutely ran ahead of the industry technically, by a shocking amount. But in a commoditized field that isn't sensitive to quality metrics, that doesn't generate sales. There's a reason why the iPhone remains the dominant product but macs are stuck at like 9% market share, and it's not the technlogy base that is basically the same between them. Laptops are done, basically. It's like arguing about brands of kitchen ranges: sure, there are differences, but they all cook just fine.
    - ebbi 11mo ago
      You're kidding, right??
    - acdha 11mo ago
      > Tough love: no, they didn't. 99.9% of consumers simply can't detect a performance difference between an M4 Air and a junky Asus box (and what ones can will announce that games run much better on the windows shipwreck!), and while the Air has a huge power delta no one cares because the windows thing still lasts for 6+ hours. This wildly, comically untrue in my experience: all of the normal people I know loooooove how fast it is and charging a few times a week. It was only the people who self-identify as PC users who said otherwise, much like the Ford guys who used to say Toyotas were junk rather than admit their preferred brand was facing tough competition.
      - ajross 11mo ago
        Your "normal people" are mac owners, and your other group is "PC users". You're measuring the 0.1%! (Which, fine, is probably more like 15% or whatever. Still not a representative sample.) You're likely also only sampling US consumers, or even Californians, and so missing an awful lot of the market. Again, real normal people can't tell the difference. They don't care. And that's why they aren't buying macs. The clear ground truth is that Macintosh is a lagging brand with poor ROI and no market share growth over more than a decade. The challenge is explaining why this is true despite winning all the technical comparisons and being based on the same hardware stack as the world-beating iOS devices. My answer is, again, "users don't care because the laptop market is commoditized so they'll pick the value product". You apparently think it's because "users are just too dumb to buy the good stuff". Historically that analysis has tended to kill more companies than it saves.
        acdha 11mo ago
        > Your "normal people" are mac owners, and your other group is "PC users” No. Remember that Apple sells devices other than Macs: they were all non-IT people who liked their iPhones and figured they’d try a Mac for their next laptop and liked it. One thing to remember is that Windows is a lot less dominant when you’re looking at what people buy themselves as opposed to what an enterprise IT department picked out. There are a ton of kids who start with ChromeOS or iPads, got a console for gaming, and don’t feel any special attraction to Windows since everything they care about works on both. > You apparently think it's because "users are just too dumb to buy the good stuff". Huh? Beyond being insulting, this is simply wrong. My position is that people actually do consider fast, silent, and multi-day battery life as desirable. That’s not the only factor in a buying decision, of course, but it seems really weird not to acknowledge it after the entire PC industry has spent years in a panic trying to catch up.
- segfaultex 11mo ago
  Or the Apple Watch, AirPods, HomePod, iPad, etc. They’ve made plenty of things. I liken them to the Lexus of consumer electronics; expensive for what they are, thoughtfully designed, and conservative in their approach to adopting new trends.
  - asdff 11mo ago
    >Apple watch Iphone on your wrist. Most people I know with one have it for two years then once the battery goes they throw it in a drawer and don't buy another one. Most were actually gifted it. > airpods They just took the same old earpods they used to give you for free due to ewaste concerns and forced you to buy the disposable bluetooth version if you want to charge your phone and listen to music at the same time. >homepod I'm into tech and I'm not sure what this even does. Apple doesn't advertise it at all that's for certain. Its basically a sonos with siri I guess. I know no one with one. I just looked it up. It looks like a chinese air filter, absolutely no signature design language. >ipad No one knows why they need one. They get one because there's hype. They use it for three years to look at instagram then its put in a drawer forever. "ipad for education" is a scam/failure; just give kids macbook airs so I don't have to teach new hires what a file is anymore. All of this is a farcry from the ipod and I feel like apologists like you understand that too.
    - ebbi 11mo ago
      It sounds like a lot of your opinions are formed within a very niche bubble. Airpods for example - I see them everywhere, and every person I know that uses them, love them! Especially Airpods Pro 2. iPad - I think the sales figures speak for themselves. It may not be popular among tech people, given they're used to a desktop environment, but I know many people that use iPads and love them. Apple Watch, I admit is more of a mixed bag among the people I know and spoken to. But I'd say the majority like it, and have bought another one after their first one gave out/upgraded. Again, the sales figures speak for themselves.
      - FridayoLeary 11mo ago
        The parent is living in a different reality. They are all hugely popular products, just because he doesn't like them doesn't make it not true. And their introduction made a massive impact. Maybe not on the level of the iPhone but pretty impressive. The vision pro thing is a major flop. Nobody wanted one before it came out and nobody wants or needs one now and it's too expensive. It's a shame, because like e readers they are massively underused as a technology.
- kulahan 11mo ago
  Because 8 people worldwide own one, and it will stop receiving support shortly, if it hasn't already. OP doesn't literally mean they haven't made anything, he means that they've made nothing of real substance - which holds true when their biggest recent release is already completely forgotten by the public writ large.
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  - wat10000 11mo ago
    "If it hasn't already"? They released a new model not even two months ago.
    - Invictus0 11mo ago
      it's dead in the water
      - wat10000 11mo ago
        What an odd reply.
        dangus 11mo ago
        You're being combative, but it's true. Yes, a new low-effort refresh came out recently. But the product is really going nowhere. Apple's next Vision product is almost certainly going to be more of a Meta glasses clone leaning more into Apple's fashion pedigree where they've had massive success with the Apple Watch. But even then, eyewear has the limitation that not everyone is interested in wearing eyewear at all.
        neom 11mo ago
        Tim Cook did comment on it to a degree: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/01/tim-cook-comments-on-apple-vision-pro/ https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/01/tim-cook-comments-on-ap...
- WorldPeas 11mo ago
  One could say it has a Newtonian gravity about it..
GeekyBear 11mo ago
Google's headline new AI feature for this year's Pixel phone, Magic Cue, shipped despite not working. > “The right info, right when you need it.” That’s how Google describes Magic Cue, one of the most prominent new AI features on the Pixel 10 series. Using the power of artificial intelligence, Magic Cue is supposed to automatically suggest helpful info in phone calls, text messages, and other apps without you having to lift a finger. However, the keyword there is “supposed” to... even when going out of my way to prompt Magic Cue, it either doesn’t work or does so little that I’m amazed Google made as big a deal about the feature as it did. https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-magic-cue-one-month-later-3598684/ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-magic-cue-o... I'd rather see companies admit that a promised feature isn't ready for prime time than hype it up only to ship it broken.
- losvedir 11mo ago
  It actually popped up and was useful for me yesterday when I was calling a hotel I had booked. I was kind of surprised because I had forgotten about the feature, but it is there and does occasionally offer helpful info.
themafia 11mo ago
> Luckily it allows investors to profit. That's not lucky. That's sad. They never ask the question "could we have earned _more_ profits with a better strategy?" The market is not rational.
- hinkley 11mo ago
  Split adjusted, I bought AAPL for $6 a share. They also pay dividends. This investor is feeling just fine about their stock price.
  - themafia 11mo ago
    "Number goes up. I don't care how. I don't even like asking questions." The referenced lack of rationality on perfect display. Thank you.
    - hinkley 11mo ago
      Your dismissive tone is really discouraging me from replying with a legitimate answer to your concerns. So you only get: people have been predicting the imminent demise of Apple every year for the last 20 and they are still the most valuable non-bubble stock in existence by a country mile. Keep whining, I'm going to retire early on your whining.
      - themafia 11mo ago
        Once again. It's great you earned money. Does it not bother you that you could have earned TWICE as much if the company didn't make so many stupid bets? To completely ignore this obvious and clear point from the outset to crow about your stock market gains is absolutely the type of irrationality I was describing. I'm not dismissing you. You've just failed to address the actual point.

by asdff 11mo ago

jerf 11mo ago

You know I would be happy to offer this service to investors for a mere tens of millions of dollars. I'll send you photos of our weekly money bonfire, built with your money, and when you're tired of pictures of your money on fire, I'll simply... stop. Heck, in accordance with the several zeitgeists of our age, I'll even do you the solid of fraudulently generating the money-on-fire pictures with AI, so when you get tired of seeing your money on fire I'll even hand, say, 25% of it back to you, as the result of my tireless efforts to bring value to my shareholders. That's a better return than you'll get from most of these investments!

johnfn 11mo ago

How does the Vision Pro not qualify as a "thing" Apple made?

guywithahat 11mo ago
They completely revolutionized laptop processors, were the first to put meaningful health data in watches, and created the first good bluetooth earbuds, but I guess they don't do things anymore.
- ajross 11mo ago
  > They completely revolutionized laptop processors Tough love: no, they didn't. 99.9% of consumers simply can't detect a performance difference between an M4 Air and a junky Asus box (and what ones can will announce that games run much better on the windows shipwreck!), and while the Air has a huge power delta no one cares because the windows thing still lasts for 6+ hours. Apple absolutely ran ahead of the industry technically, by a shocking amount. But in a commoditized field that isn't sensitive to quality metrics, that doesn't generate sales. There's a reason why the iPhone remains the dominant product but macs are stuck at like 9% market share, and it's not the technlogy base that is basically the same between them. Laptops are done, basically. It's like arguing about brands of kitchen ranges: sure, there are differences, but they all cook just fine.
  - ebbi 11mo ago
    You're kidding, right??
  - acdha 11mo ago
    > Tough love: no, they didn't. 99.9% of consumers simply can't detect a performance difference between an M4 Air and a junky Asus box (and what ones can will announce that games run much better on the windows shipwreck!), and while the Air has a huge power delta no one cares because the windows thing still lasts for 6+ hours. This wildly, comically untrue in my experience: all of the normal people I know loooooove how fast it is and charging a few times a week. It was only the people who self-identify as PC users who said otherwise, much like the Ford guys who used to say Toyotas were junk rather than admit their preferred brand was facing tough competition.
    - ajross 11mo ago
      Your "normal people" are mac owners, and your other group is "PC users". You're measuring the 0.1%! (Which, fine, is probably more like 15% or whatever. Still not a representative sample.) You're likely also only sampling US consumers, or even Californians, and so missing an awful lot of the market. Again, real normal people can't tell the difference. They don't care. And that's why they aren't buying macs. The clear ground truth is that Macintosh is a lagging brand with poor ROI and no market share growth over more than a decade. The challenge is explaining why this is true despite winning all the technical comparisons and being based on the same hardware stack as the world-beating iOS devices. My answer is, again, "users don't care because the laptop market is commoditized so they'll pick the value product". You apparently think it's because "users are just too dumb to buy the good stuff". Historically that analysis has tended to kill more companies than it saves.
      - acdha 11mo ago
        > Your "normal people" are mac owners, and your other group is "PC users” No. Remember that Apple sells devices other than Macs: they were all non-IT people who liked their iPhones and figured they’d try a Mac for their next laptop and liked it. One thing to remember is that Windows is a lot less dominant when you’re looking at what people buy themselves as opposed to what an enterprise IT department picked out. There are a ton of kids who start with ChromeOS or iPads, got a console for gaming, and don’t feel any special attraction to Windows since everything they care about works on both. > You apparently think it's because "users are just too dumb to buy the good stuff". Huh? Beyond being insulting, this is simply wrong. My position is that people actually do consider fast, silent, and multi-day battery life as desirable. That’s not the only factor in a buying decision, of course, but it seems really weird not to acknowledge it after the entire PC industry has spent years in a panic trying to catch up.
segfaultex 11mo ago
Or the Apple Watch, AirPods, HomePod, iPad, etc. They’ve made plenty of things. I liken them to the Lexus of consumer electronics; expensive for what they are, thoughtfully designed, and conservative in their approach to adopting new trends.
- asdff 11mo ago
  >Apple watch Iphone on your wrist. Most people I know with one have it for two years then once the battery goes they throw it in a drawer and don't buy another one. Most were actually gifted it. > airpods They just took the same old earpods they used to give you for free due to ewaste concerns and forced you to buy the disposable bluetooth version if you want to charge your phone and listen to music at the same time. >homepod I'm into tech and I'm not sure what this even does. Apple doesn't advertise it at all that's for certain. Its basically a sonos with siri I guess. I know no one with one. I just looked it up. It looks like a chinese air filter, absolutely no signature design language. >ipad No one knows why they need one. They get one because there's hype. They use it for three years to look at instagram then its put in a drawer forever. "ipad for education" is a scam/failure; just give kids macbook airs so I don't have to teach new hires what a file is anymore. All of this is a farcry from the ipod and I feel like apologists like you understand that too.
  - ebbi 11mo ago
    It sounds like a lot of your opinions are formed within a very niche bubble. Airpods for example - I see them everywhere, and every person I know that uses them, love them! Especially Airpods Pro 2. iPad - I think the sales figures speak for themselves. It may not be popular among tech people, given they're used to a desktop environment, but I know many people that use iPads and love them. Apple Watch, I admit is more of a mixed bag among the people I know and spoken to. But I'd say the majority like it, and have bought another one after their first one gave out/upgraded. Again, the sales figures speak for themselves.
    - FridayoLeary 11mo ago
      The parent is living in a different reality. They are all hugely popular products, just because he doesn't like them doesn't make it not true. And their introduction made a massive impact. Maybe not on the level of the iPhone but pretty impressive. The vision pro thing is a major flop. Nobody wanted one before it came out and nobody wants or needs one now and it's too expensive. It's a shame, because like e readers they are massively underused as a technology.
kulahan 11mo ago
Because 8 people worldwide own one, and it will stop receiving support shortly, if it hasn't already. OP doesn't literally mean they haven't made anything, he means that they've made nothing of real substance - which holds true when their biggest recent release is already completely forgotten by the public writ large.
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- wat10000 11mo ago
  "If it hasn't already"? They released a new model not even two months ago.
  - Invictus0 11mo ago
    it's dead in the water
    - wat10000 11mo ago
      What an odd reply.
      - dangus 11mo ago
        You're being combative, but it's true. Yes, a new low-effort refresh came out recently. But the product is really going nowhere. Apple's next Vision product is almost certainly going to be more of a Meta glasses clone leaning more into Apple's fashion pedigree where they've had massive success with the Apple Watch. But even then, eyewear has the limitation that not everyone is interested in wearing eyewear at all.
        neom 11mo ago
        Tim Cook did comment on it to a degree: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/01/tim-cook-comments-on-apple-vision-pro/ https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/01/tim-cook-comments-on-ap...
WorldPeas 11mo ago
One could say it has a Newtonian gravity about it..

GeekyBear 11mo ago

Google's headline new AI feature for this year's Pixel phone, Magic Cue, shipped despite not working. > “The right info, right when you need it.” That’s how Google describes Magic Cue, one of the most prominent new AI features on the Pixel 10 series. Using the power of artificial intelligence, Magic Cue is supposed to automatically suggest helpful info in phone calls, text messages, and other apps without you having to lift a finger. However, the keyword there is “supposed” to... even when going out of my way to prompt Magic Cue, it either doesn’t work or does so little that I’m amazed Google made as big a deal about the feature as it did. https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-magic-cue-one-month-later-3598684/ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-10-magic-cue-o... I'd rather see companies admit that a promised feature isn't ready for prime time than hype it up only to ship it broken.

losvedir 11mo ago
It actually popped up and was useful for me yesterday when I was calling a hotel I had booked. I was kind of surprised because I had forgotten about the feature, but it is there and does occasionally offer helpful info.

themafia 11mo ago

> Luckily it allows investors to profit. That's not lucky. That's sad. They never ask the question "could we have earned _more_ profits with a better strategy?" The market is not rational.

hinkley 11mo ago
Split adjusted, I bought AAPL for $6 a share. They also pay dividends. This investor is feeling just fine about their stock price.
- themafia 11mo ago
  "Number goes up. I don't care how. I don't even like asking questions." The referenced lack of rationality on perfect display. Thank you.
  - hinkley 11mo ago
    Your dismissive tone is really discouraging me from replying with a legitimate answer to your concerns. So you only get: people have been predicting the imminent demise of Apple every year for the last 20 and they are still the most valuable non-bubble stock in existence by a country mile. Keep whining, I'm going to retire early on your whining.
    - themafia 11mo ago
      Once again. It's great you earned money. Does it not bother you that you could have earned TWICE as much if the company didn't make so many stupid bets? To completely ignore this obvious and clear point from the outset to crow about your stock market gains is absolutely the type of irrationality I was describing. I'm not dismissing you. You've just failed to address the actual point.