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Competition by whom? The entire EU software industry is completely pathetic. The EU has been regulating the US tech for over a decade. In that time the EU has

Competition by whom? The entire EU software industry is completely pathetic. The EU has been regulating the US tech for over a decade. In that time the EU has only fallen further behind. Meanwhile China has been steadily moving towards being an actual competitor to the US, while the EU is loosing the one large industry which it has left, manufacturing, to China. This whole thing is pathetic. Of the goal of the EC ever was the creation of a competitive EU software industry it was a total failure and it was bound to be a total failure. Because what they did were idiotic regulations. Everything the regulations have accomplished is that trying to compete in the EU puts such an enormous legal burden on any prospective competitor that failure is guaranteed.

Nextgrid 10mo ago
> China has been steadily moving towards being an actual competitor to the US China is in this position because of regulations (and technological enforcement of them like GFW), which prevented US tech from taking any significant foothold and left the market available for local competition. > enormous legal burden on any prospective competitor that failure is guaranteed Can you tell me which business can't work in the EU? Selling software is legal. Operating a SaaS is legal. Hell, even industrial-scale spyware is legal, as long as you become big quickly enough so that enforcing the GDPR against you becomes counterproductive. The only thing I see that can't be done is industrial-scale corporation-on-consumer fraud, but I don't think we're losing much because of that.
- constantcrying 10mo ago
  >China is in this position because of regulations Then the regulations of the EC just fucking sucked and destroyed all chances of the EU ever having a competitive software industry.
  - Nextgrid 10mo ago
    The regulations were good, it's just that enforcement was and remains dysfunctional and basically non-existent. Those business-ending GDPR fines HN loves fear-mongering about never materialized. Similarly with the DMA - Apple is still being allowed to stall and wage bureaucratic warfare to not comply. In contrast, when in China people were found to be using AirDrop's "open to everyone" feature to share content the CCP deemed inappropriate, we quickly got a change where AirDrop would only stay open to everyone for 10 mins before reverting back to "contacts only". If the EU had the same balls they would give Apple an ultimatum and you'd get alternate browser engines, app stores, and the right to "sideload" overnight.
az09mugen 10mo ago
Username checks out.

Nextgrid 10mo ago

> China has been steadily moving towards being an actual competitor to the US China is in this position because of regulations (and technological enforcement of them like GFW), which prevented US tech from taking any significant foothold and left the market available for local competition. > enormous legal burden on any prospective competitor that failure is guaranteed Can you tell me which business can't work in the EU? Selling software is legal. Operating a SaaS is legal. Hell, even industrial-scale spyware is legal, as long as you become big quickly enough so that enforcing the GDPR against you becomes counterproductive. The only thing I see that can't be done is industrial-scale corporation-on-consumer fraud, but I don't think we're losing much because of that.

constantcrying 10mo ago
>China is in this position because of regulations Then the regulations of the EC just fucking sucked and destroyed all chances of the EU ever having a competitive software industry.
- Nextgrid 10mo ago
  The regulations were good, it's just that enforcement was and remains dysfunctional and basically non-existent. Those business-ending GDPR fines HN loves fear-mongering about never materialized. Similarly with the DMA - Apple is still being allowed to stall and wage bureaucratic warfare to not comply. In contrast, when in China people were found to be using AirDrop's "open to everyone" feature to share content the CCP deemed inappropriate, we quickly got a change where AirDrop would only stay open to everyone for 10 mins before reverting back to "contacts only". If the EU had the same balls they would give Apple an ultimatum and you'd get alternate browser engines, app stores, and the right to "sideload" overnight.

az09mugen 10mo ago

Username checks out.