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I keep hearing this, especially on X which now hates the EU because it has fined X. People need to understand that U.S. "tech" is barely considered tech in the

by bgwalter 10mo ago

I keep hearing this, especially on X which now hates the EU because it has fined X. People need to understand that U.S. "tech" is barely considered tech in the EU as far as social media platforms and search engines go. You could cut off the Magnificent 7 completely and the EU would switch to new data sources and operating systems within a month. U.S. "tech" is mostly entertainment, and the EU has also been behind Hollywood for the mass market movies for a long time.

pb7 10mo ago
>You could cut off the Magnificent 7 completely and the EU would switch to new data sources and operating systems within a month. I can't begin to understand the level of delusion you have reached. You truly are fish unaware of the water you are in.
- bgwalter 10mo ago
  You are absolutely right and I apologize for the error! Would you like me to generate a chart that shows the amount of essential products that the EU produces vs.the U.S.?
  - pb7 10mo ago
    I take it since you moved the goal posts that you concede the EU is not competitive in tech, correct?
sajithdilshan 10mo ago
In which bubble are you living right now? Almost all the EU tech companies uses AWS, Google cloud or Microsoft Azure. Good luck with recovering any data if you completely cut off Mag7. Also Without iOS or Android play store, you're back using Nokia or Chinese counterpart. The pure ignorance the europeans have on their tech reliance on US tech is astounding.
- ben_w 10mo ago
  While I agree the other comment is overstating a bit on the speed of transition for all of the big seven at the same time (though we could probably do that for Meta, Tesla without any substitution, and Apple and Amazon if we keep Alphabet around): > Also Without iOS or Android play store, you're back using Nokia or Chinese counterpart. Yes, and? It's not like Chinese OSes (forks of Android or whatever) are noteworthy for being bad.
  - sajithdilshan 10mo ago
    So you want to change your tech dependency from US to China? Whats the whole point besides wasting so much money for transition?
    - ben_w 10mo ago
      Stability is a valid reason for a lot of people. China likes stable, the USA today is not. More generally, even just having the option to switch is important for purchasers in general, so that the vendors know they don't have a captive audience and don't try all the usual stuff that makes monopolies bad.
      - sajithdilshan 10mo ago
        Stability and China in one sentence is amazing. One word to offend CCP and you would see how stable it it. Also if you're talking about having option to switch is better, then wouldn't banning the American counterparts go against your logic? That would actually limit the number of options to switch. Also at the moment no one is prohibiting anyone from switching.
        ben_w 10mo ago
        > One word to offend CCP and you would see how stable it it Clearly you mean something very different by the word "stable" than any use I have ever encountered before. Also, one word to offend Trump or Musk seems to lead to more problems right it now — in normal times, saying that "China's at least willing to agree to disagree about human rights" would be faint praise indeed, but compare that to Trump and Musk where saying "cis" on Twitter is considered "hate speech", where being a journalist and asking Trump about something he himself said on camera the week before will have him rant at you, where interviewing someone who doesn't like him will lead to him calling for your broadcast licence to be revoked, where judges who listen to cases about America's friend Israel get sanctioned. More importantly to this topic however, your responses seem to be shifting the goal posts somewhat. You replied to a comment which I agreed in my opening words was overstating case, that it was under-estimating the difficulty and time needed to switch. What I'm saying is that Europe can, in fact, switch — just slower than bgwalter said. I'm not saying it should ("should" depends on things I don't know), I'm saying it *can*. I'm saying the option is open.

pb7 10mo ago

>You could cut off the Magnificent 7 completely and the EU would switch to new data sources and operating systems within a month. I can't begin to understand the level of delusion you have reached. You truly are fish unaware of the water you are in.

bgwalter 10mo ago
You are absolutely right and I apologize for the error! Would you like me to generate a chart that shows the amount of essential products that the EU produces vs.the U.S.?
- pb7 10mo ago
  I take it since you moved the goal posts that you concede the EU is not competitive in tech, correct?

sajithdilshan 10mo ago

In which bubble are you living right now? Almost all the EU tech companies uses AWS, Google cloud or Microsoft Azure. Good luck with recovering any data if you completely cut off Mag7. Also Without iOS or Android play store, you're back using Nokia or Chinese counterpart. The pure ignorance the europeans have on their tech reliance on US tech is astounding.

ben_w 10mo ago
While I agree the other comment is overstating a bit on the speed of transition for all of the big seven at the same time (though we could probably do that for Meta, Tesla without any substitution, and Apple and Amazon if we keep Alphabet around): > Also Without iOS or Android play store, you're back using Nokia or Chinese counterpart. Yes, and? It's not like Chinese OSes (forks of Android or whatever) are noteworthy for being bad.
- sajithdilshan 10mo ago
  So you want to change your tech dependency from US to China? Whats the whole point besides wasting so much money for transition?
  - ben_w 10mo ago
    Stability is a valid reason for a lot of people. China likes stable, the USA today is not. More generally, even just having the option to switch is important for purchasers in general, so that the vendors know they don't have a captive audience and don't try all the usual stuff that makes monopolies bad.
    - sajithdilshan 10mo ago
      Stability and China in one sentence is amazing. One word to offend CCP and you would see how stable it it. Also if you're talking about having option to switch is better, then wouldn't banning the American counterparts go against your logic? That would actually limit the number of options to switch. Also at the moment no one is prohibiting anyone from switching.
      - ben_w 10mo ago
        > One word to offend CCP and you would see how stable it it Clearly you mean something very different by the word "stable" than any use I have ever encountered before. Also, one word to offend Trump or Musk seems to lead to more problems right it now — in normal times, saying that "China's at least willing to agree to disagree about human rights" would be faint praise indeed, but compare that to Trump and Musk where saying "cis" on Twitter is considered "hate speech", where being a journalist and asking Trump about something he himself said on camera the week before will have him rant at you, where interviewing someone who doesn't like him will lead to him calling for your broadcast licence to be revoked, where judges who listen to cases about America's friend Israel get sanctioned. More importantly to this topic however, your responses seem to be shifting the goal posts somewhat. You replied to a comment which I agreed in my opening words was overstating case, that it was under-estimating the difficulty and time needed to switch. What I'm saying is that Europe can, in fact, switch — just slower than bgwalter said. I'm not saying it should ("should" depends on things I don't know), I'm saying it *can*. I'm saying the option is open.