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> The European Commission said it would examine whether the firm used data from websites to provide this service - and if it failed to offer "appropriate compen

by akersten 10mo ago

> The European Commission said it would examine whether the firm used data from websites to provide this service - and if it failed to offer "appropriate compensation" to publishers. While the EU wastes their time with things like this, they fall further and further behind the curve, still wondering why no one wants to start a business there.

jraph 10mo ago
Behind which curve and how so?
- DeathArrow 10mo ago
  Behind the curve of big tech businesses generating a lot of GDP and economic growth?
  - Nextgrid 10mo ago
    A lot of said Big Tech is based on industrial-scale fraud and exploitation of the consumer so that a rich few can benefit. Not exactly something to be proud of. (though we too have that in Europe in the form of high taxes, so that a rich few politicians benefit)
  - lores 10mo ago
    Behind the curve of worshipping economic growth over citizen well-being, and behind the curve of being an outright plutocracy, too, so there's that.
pjmlp 10mo ago
There are plenty of European businesses, our salaries don't grow on trees.
- paganel 10mo ago
  Our salaries have certainly not kept up with the pace from across the Atlantic, I'm talking last 10 to 15 years.
  - dns_snek 10mo ago
    When you say "our", do you mean "the median employee", tech workers, or some other group? Because while this is true for tech companies, you must consider where that money comes from and how much (more) human suffering goes into it. I'd rather live in society where I make a decent living and people aren't (as) exploited. edit, to add: I'm exaggerating to make my point clearer, but in these discussions I always get the distinct feeling that if the US still had slavery, American farmers would be making snide remarks about how uncompetitive and anti-business the EU is with all of our pesky regulations. Meanwhile a vocal minority of European farmers would be pointing at the US, complaining about how much less money they make than American farmers, and pressuring our representatives to legalize slavery because otherwise we're all going to get left behind. In other words it all feels a bit absurd when nobody is considering the negative externalities of these policies.
    - paganel 10mo ago
      > tech workers, or some other group? This was in the context of innovation (or lack thereof), and this being a tech-website then, yes, I'm mostly talking about tech workers. One cannot have (tech) innovation while getting paid 5 to 10 times less (and in many cases I'm being generous to the European employers here) compared to what's happening across the ocean. That's why SAP is still a big thing in Germany and that's why Tesla (and then the Chinese) were able to eat Germany's car-software lunch.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    They need those salaries to pay for health insurance, and being fired on the spot with security escort, without anyone to fallback into.
- riedel 10mo ago
  And those pay our taxes. I think of there was a decent digital tax, the EC would also have a better motivation to just move on...
- constantcrying 10mo ago
  The idea that just because Europe still has some profitable businesses left, there is no need to compete for global technological leadership is so absurd that even putting it into words is hard. E.g. Germany, the largest EU economy, is very dependent on their car export industry. Guess which industry isn't too hot right now? Do you think you salary will survive the EU losing their export markets? Mine surely will not.
  - Nextgrid 10mo ago
    > compete for global technological leadership Yet every time the EU tries to enforce regulations so that technological competition becomes actually possible everyone is mad about it.
    - pb7 10mo ago
      How come only the EU needs to stifle existing companies to be able to have a chance to compete? How come OpenAI or Anthropic or Cursor didn't come out of the EU? I'll give you a hint, it's not because of big bad Google.
      - Nextgrid 10mo ago
        > only the EU needs to stifle existing companies to be able to have a chance to compete [emphasis mine] Tell me another country that competes with the US on monopolistic tech platforms? The only one I know of is China, and that's because their GFW and regulations essentially prevented US platforms from taking hold to begin with, and their stronghold on tech manufacturing means they actually have teeth when it comes to securing concessions from Western techbros (where as the EU couldn't even be bothered to enforce the GDPR).
      - fullofideas 10mo ago
        While I agree with the sentiment, it is not true that only EU takes a “nationalistic” stance and safeguards its interests. US is famously doing it with tariffs..to bring back manufacturing, and I also remember hearing “America first”. Doesn’t make what EU is doing right, just that everyone is stifling outside competition in some form.
- nalnq 10mo ago
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  - monero-xmr 10mo ago
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    - q3k 10mo ago
      You got some sources for those numbers?
      - monero-xmr 10mo ago
        https://www.unedic.org/publications/qui-sont-les-allocataires-de-l-assurance-chomage-avril-2025 https://www.unedic.org/publications/qui-sont-les-allocataire... translated: > Of the 6.2 million people registered with France Travail in the 3rd quarter of 2024, 6 out of 10 are beneficiaries supported by the Unemployment Insurance. Persons not in charge of the Unemployment Insurance have not worked sufficiently to open a right or to reload it, or work on a contract that has not been broken, or are out of the field (part of the civil service, resignations and self-employed). Within the 3.8 million people in care, 2.6 million receive compensation. Those in care but who do not receive an allowance have generally worked and received a high salary relative to their reference salary. They may also be covered by the Health Insurance or in deferred compensation at the beginning of their right. > Those under 35 represent a significant proportion of the beneficiaries (41%). They are more frequently hired for limited-time contracts, which more often leads them to grant unemployment insurance. https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-decline-of-europe-in-gallic-profile-af5fd1be?mod=opinion_lead_pos4 https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-decline-of-europe-in-gallic-... > Meanwhile, public spending accounts for 57% of the French GDP. And “to ensure the financing of spending for those over 65,” it will steadily increase to 60.8% by 2070, the Court of Auditors found. That’s assuming per capita spending stays at 2023 levels instead of increasing. Social spending will inevitably crowd out other priorities, including defense.
        q3k 10mo ago
Alex2037 10mo ago
the events of the past month are a very clear indicator that EU bureaucrats are borderline delusional. I wish the US would call their bluff and avenge those bullshit fines sevenfold with tariffs.
mqus 10mo ago
Yeah, everyone in the EU is just working on this one law case. The guy next to me just cooked the meals for the guy that made the paper the case was filed on and now has to take an extended break. /s People can and will do many things at once, like actually pursuing monopoly issues AND trying to improve the situation for everyone else. Its almost like there is only limited amount of one thing: space on page 1 of media outlets.
lokar 10mo ago
This style/tone of discourse is really disrespectful and not very interesting. The EU is a big place with a lot going on. You will persuade more people and learn more if you engage in a more open style.
- pb7 10mo ago
  I persuade you to build more and fine less. https://x.com/da_fant/status/1998090511807381613?s=20 https://x.com/da_fant/status/1998090511807381613?s=20
  - brisket_bronson 10mo ago
    I couldn't find any source for this chart other than the picture on Twitter. Do you have the source?
  - mhitza 10mo ago
    Play by the rules or don't operate in the EU market? Seems straightforward to me. Large US tech companies like to pretend like they are being harassed by regulation, but in the end they behave as if they were regular business expenses. Do shady things now, get fined X years later.
    - re-thc 10mo ago
      > Play by the rules or don't operate in the EU market? Seems straightforward to me. Sounds like an invite for no 1 to operate. The rules just keep growing faster than the AI bubble.
      - mhitza 10mo ago
        > The rules just keep growing faster than the AI bubble. No they aren't. What you have, and of interest to digital companies are. GDPR (2016), for all operating in the EU. You get the gist of it in an afternoon. The AI guideline (2024), also readable in an afternoon, and it mostly has provision that make life harder for those in law enforcement, and healthcare tech. DMA (2022), only affects the select few at the top Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. Show me where these bubbling "inscrutable" regulations, that push business away, are.
maelito 10mo ago
No startup is as big as Google Search. They're far from being hindered by this EU investigation.
- Spivak 10mo ago
  It's not really about Google, I think the reason that HN in general is.. annoyed at the actions of the EU is because they're worried these rulings will be far reaching. This one in particular: fetching content from a website and feeding it to an AI to extract information or summarize it requires that the person doing it "compensate" the website operator. Well there goes one of the most useful tools in the AI toolbox being able to search the web for external information. It also codifies that accessing a webpage is a weird kind of transaction which also might put ad blockers in a weird legal grey area. I don't want my Kagi quick answers, Summarize page, or Ask questions about page buttons to be turned off, I find them extremely useful.
bgwalter 10mo ago
I keep hearing this, especially on X which now hates the EU because it has fined X. People need to understand that U.S. "tech" is barely considered tech in the EU as far as social media platforms and search engines go. You could cut off the Magnificent 7 completely and the EU would switch to new data sources and operating systems within a month. U.S. "tech" is mostly entertainment, and the EU has also been behind Hollywood for the mass market movies for a long time.
- pb7 10mo ago
  >You could cut off the Magnificent 7 completely and the EU would switch to new data sources and operating systems within a month. I can't begin to understand the level of delusion you have reached. You truly are fish unaware of the water you are in.
  - bgwalter 10mo ago
    You are absolutely right and I apologize for the error! Would you like me to generate a chart that shows the amount of essential products that the EU produces vs.the U.S.?
    - pb7 10mo ago
      I take it since you moved the goal posts that you concede the EU is not competitive in tech, correct?
- sajithdilshan 10mo ago
  In which bubble are you living right now? Almost all the EU tech companies uses AWS, Google cloud or Microsoft Azure. Good luck with recovering any data if you completely cut off Mag7. Also Without iOS or Android play store, you're back using Nokia or Chinese counterpart. The pure ignorance the europeans have on their tech reliance on US tech is astounding.
  - ben_w 10mo ago
    While I agree the other comment is overstating a bit on the speed of transition for all of the big seven at the same time (though we could probably do that for Meta, Tesla without any substitution, and Apple and Amazon if we keep Alphabet around): > Also Without iOS or Android play store, you're back using Nokia or Chinese counterpart. Yes, and? It's not like Chinese OSes (forks of Android or whatever) are noteworthy for being bad.
mohsen1 10mo ago
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- grosswait 10mo ago
  But the EU ensures plenty of work for lawyers
  - kwanbix 10mo ago
    It is a joke, right? If there is a country where lawyrs thrive is the USA.
  - randunel 10mo ago
    Having worked with both EU and non-EU companies, I disagree. US companies seem to be the most litigious, and EU companies more diligent. I've not observed any lawyer involvement from companies in Russia, Serbia, India, but my experience is rather limited there.
  - mtoner23 10mo ago
    America has much more lawyers per capital than almost all European countries
- CGMthrowaway 10mo ago
  DG has added $10B of value for shareholders this year, on top of uniquely providing $40B a year of goods for a population that needs them. That's not a bad thing
  - mohsen1 10mo ago
    I am an American citizen living in Europe. There are grocery stores here generating billions too. They have to advertise the price including taxes. That alone is a huge advantage for the shopper that regulations enforce it. If you're on the lower income side and have limited money to buy your groceries you don't have to guess the total price of your basket. Prices are WYSIWYG. I didn't think things are bad in the US until I lived here in Europe for some time to realize. Dollar General situation is bad and in a fairer system they would still make billions. Don't assume regulations that protects people automatically means bad business
pjc50 10mo ago
Somewhat more difficult to run a business when an American multinational steals your revenue and your content. On the other hand, the complainer mentioned is the Daily Mail. I'd much rather see a non specific ruling over whether or not summarizing already short articles is copyright infringement - regardless of who's doing it. Copyright litigation and legislation tends to favor the richer party no matter where it happens. Newspapers are notorious for lifting stories and photos from social media. They rarely bother to compensate the original creator either. Perhaps a better approach is to make sure that the AI summaries are just as liable for libel actions, and regulator mandatory corrections, as the newspapers.
- nalnq 10mo ago
  I thought here in HN we agreed that copying information was not stealing? You know, how you are not depriving the original website of their information or anything, because everything can be copied infinitely.
  - blitzar 10mo ago
    ... we agreed that copying information was not stealing if you are the compnay stealing it, but if it is your information that it is being stolen then it is theft and should be treated as such.
- hopelite 10mo ago
  > make sure that the AI summaries are just as liable for libel actions Is libel in AI generated summaries a problem? Also, it seems you are fundamentally missing how AI is different. What would you expect a “regulator mandatory correction” to look like, a one sentence summary comes with a notice that it was corrected at some point? AI is also going to make regulators and bureaucrats totally superfluous if done properly, where AI simply “regulates” based on laws written in a clear text and open weight manner.
  - ben_w 10mo ago
    > Is libel in AI generated summaries a problem? Clearly, given there have been cases about it already. > Also, it seems you are fundamentally missing how AI is different. What would you expect a “regulator mandatory correction” to look like, a one sentence summary comes with a notice that it was corrected at some point? Laws shouldn't care about mechanisms, they should care about outcomes. We can't allow ourselves to say "this tech makes ${legal obligation XYZ} impossible to perform, let us deploy it anyway": either you figure out how to solve for ${XYZ} or you don't get to deploy it. > AI is also going to make regulators and bureaucrats totally superfluous if done properly, where AI simply “regulates” based on laws written in a clear text and open weight manner. "If" is doing heavy lifting there — "if done properly", AI makes all human labour redundant. Nobody knows how far away "done properly" is.
chaostheory 10mo ago
It’s called thinly veiled protectionism just like the GDPR
- Nextgrid 10mo ago
  GDPR is an excellent idea if it was actually enforced, which it wasn't. To their credit, the non-enforcement was consistent regardless of whether the offender was EU-based or not.
peterspath 10mo ago
Europe is awesome. The European Union sucks at the moment. It should go back to its roots and be a European Free Trade Association only. It is enough.
SPICLK2 10mo ago
Where "curve" = "exporting shiny toys without thought to long-term consequences". Good to see the EU is finally catching up to the harms of this and other US web tech.
2OEH8eoCRo0 10mo ago
Further behind on what? The rape of their citizens by big tech?

jraph 10mo ago

Behind which curve and how so?

DeathArrow 10mo ago
Behind the curve of big tech businesses generating a lot of GDP and economic growth?
- Nextgrid 10mo ago
  A lot of said Big Tech is based on industrial-scale fraud and exploitation of the consumer so that a rich few can benefit. Not exactly something to be proud of. (though we too have that in Europe in the form of high taxes, so that a rich few politicians benefit)
- lores 10mo ago
  Behind the curve of worshipping economic growth over citizen well-being, and behind the curve of being an outright plutocracy, too, so there's that.

pjmlp 10mo ago

There are plenty of European businesses, our salaries don't grow on trees.

paganel 10mo ago
Our salaries have certainly not kept up with the pace from across the Atlantic, I'm talking last 10 to 15 years.
- dns_snek 10mo ago
  When you say "our", do you mean "the median employee", tech workers, or some other group? Because while this is true for tech companies, you must consider where that money comes from and how much (more) human suffering goes into it. I'd rather live in society where I make a decent living and people aren't (as) exploited. edit, to add: I'm exaggerating to make my point clearer, but in these discussions I always get the distinct feeling that if the US still had slavery, American farmers would be making snide remarks about how uncompetitive and anti-business the EU is with all of our pesky regulations. Meanwhile a vocal minority of European farmers would be pointing at the US, complaining about how much less money they make than American farmers, and pressuring our representatives to legalize slavery because otherwise we're all going to get left behind. In other words it all feels a bit absurd when nobody is considering the negative externalities of these policies.
  - paganel 10mo ago
    > tech workers, or some other group? This was in the context of innovation (or lack thereof), and this being a tech-website then, yes, I'm mostly talking about tech workers. One cannot have (tech) innovation while getting paid 5 to 10 times less (and in many cases I'm being generous to the European employers here) compared to what's happening across the ocean. That's why SAP is still a big thing in Germany and that's why Tesla (and then the Chinese) were able to eat Germany's car-software lunch.
- pjmlp 10mo ago
  They need those salaries to pay for health insurance, and being fired on the spot with security escort, without anyone to fallback into.
riedel 10mo ago
And those pay our taxes. I think of there was a decent digital tax, the EC would also have a better motivation to just move on...
constantcrying 10mo ago
The idea that just because Europe still has some profitable businesses left, there is no need to compete for global technological leadership is so absurd that even putting it into words is hard. E.g. Germany, the largest EU economy, is very dependent on their car export industry. Guess which industry isn't too hot right now? Do you think you salary will survive the EU losing their export markets? Mine surely will not.
- Nextgrid 10mo ago
  > compete for global technological leadership Yet every time the EU tries to enforce regulations so that technological competition becomes actually possible everyone is mad about it.
  - pb7 10mo ago
    How come only the EU needs to stifle existing companies to be able to have a chance to compete? How come OpenAI or Anthropic or Cursor didn't come out of the EU? I'll give you a hint, it's not because of big bad Google.
    - Nextgrid 10mo ago
      > only the EU needs to stifle existing companies to be able to have a chance to compete [emphasis mine] Tell me another country that competes with the US on monopolistic tech platforms? The only one I know of is China, and that's because their GFW and regulations essentially prevented US platforms from taking hold to begin with, and their stronghold on tech manufacturing means they actually have teeth when it comes to securing concessions from Western techbros (where as the EU couldn't even be bothered to enforce the GDPR).
    - fullofideas 10mo ago
      While I agree with the sentiment, it is not true that only EU takes a “nationalistic” stance and safeguards its interests. US is famously doing it with tariffs..to bring back manufacturing, and I also remember hearing “America first”. Doesn’t make what EU is doing right, just that everyone is stifling outside competition in some form.
nalnq 10mo ago
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- monero-xmr 10mo ago
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  - q3k 10mo ago
    You got some sources for those numbers?
    - monero-xmr 10mo ago
      https://www.unedic.org/publications/qui-sont-les-allocataires-de-l-assurance-chomage-avril-2025 https://www.unedic.org/publications/qui-sont-les-allocataire... translated: > Of the 6.2 million people registered with France Travail in the 3rd quarter of 2024, 6 out of 10 are beneficiaries supported by the Unemployment Insurance. Persons not in charge of the Unemployment Insurance have not worked sufficiently to open a right or to reload it, or work on a contract that has not been broken, or are out of the field (part of the civil service, resignations and self-employed). Within the 3.8 million people in care, 2.6 million receive compensation. Those in care but who do not receive an allowance have generally worked and received a high salary relative to their reference salary. They may also be covered by the Health Insurance or in deferred compensation at the beginning of their right. > Those under 35 represent a significant proportion of the beneficiaries (41%). They are more frequently hired for limited-time contracts, which more often leads them to grant unemployment insurance. https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-decline-of-europe-in-gallic-profile-af5fd1be?mod=opinion_lead_pos4 https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-decline-of-europe-in-gallic-... > Meanwhile, public spending accounts for 57% of the French GDP. And “to ensure the financing of spending for those over 65,” it will steadily increase to 60.8% by 2070, the Court of Auditors found. That’s assuming per capita spending stays at 2023 levels instead of increasing. Social spending will inevitably crowd out other priorities, including defense.
      - q3k 10mo ago

Alex2037 10mo ago

the events of the past month are a very clear indicator that EU bureaucrats are borderline delusional. I wish the US would call their bluff and avenge those bullshit fines sevenfold with tariffs.

mqus 10mo ago

Yeah, everyone in the EU is just working on this one law case. The guy next to me just cooked the meals for the guy that made the paper the case was filed on and now has to take an extended break. /s People can and will do many things at once, like actually pursuing monopoly issues AND trying to improve the situation for everyone else. Its almost like there is only limited amount of one thing: space on page 1 of media outlets.

lokar 10mo ago

This style/tone of discourse is really disrespectful and not very interesting. The EU is a big place with a lot going on. You will persuade more people and learn more if you engage in a more open style.

pb7 10mo ago
I persuade you to build more and fine less. https://x.com/da_fant/status/1998090511807381613?s=20 https://x.com/da_fant/status/1998090511807381613?s=20
- brisket_bronson 10mo ago
  I couldn't find any source for this chart other than the picture on Twitter. Do you have the source?
- mhitza 10mo ago
  Play by the rules or don't operate in the EU market? Seems straightforward to me. Large US tech companies like to pretend like they are being harassed by regulation, but in the end they behave as if they were regular business expenses. Do shady things now, get fined X years later.
  - re-thc 10mo ago
    > Play by the rules or don't operate in the EU market? Seems straightforward to me. Sounds like an invite for no 1 to operate. The rules just keep growing faster than the AI bubble.
    - mhitza 10mo ago
      > The rules just keep growing faster than the AI bubble. No they aren't. What you have, and of interest to digital companies are. GDPR (2016), for all operating in the EU. You get the gist of it in an afternoon. The AI guideline (2024), also readable in an afternoon, and it mostly has provision that make life harder for those in law enforcement, and healthcare tech. DMA (2022), only affects the select few at the top Google, Apple, Facebook, etc. Show me where these bubbling "inscrutable" regulations, that push business away, are.

maelito 10mo ago

No startup is as big as Google Search. They're far from being hindered by this EU investigation.

Spivak 10mo ago
It's not really about Google, I think the reason that HN in general is.. annoyed at the actions of the EU is because they're worried these rulings will be far reaching. This one in particular: fetching content from a website and feeding it to an AI to extract information or summarize it requires that the person doing it "compensate" the website operator. Well there goes one of the most useful tools in the AI toolbox being able to search the web for external information. It also codifies that accessing a webpage is a weird kind of transaction which also might put ad blockers in a weird legal grey area. I don't want my Kagi quick answers, Summarize page, or Ask questions about page buttons to be turned off, I find them extremely useful.

bgwalter 10mo ago

I keep hearing this, especially on X which now hates the EU because it has fined X. People need to understand that U.S. "tech" is barely considered tech in the EU as far as social media platforms and search engines go. You could cut off the Magnificent 7 completely and the EU would switch to new data sources and operating systems within a month. U.S. "tech" is mostly entertainment, and the EU has also been behind Hollywood for the mass market movies for a long time.

pb7 10mo ago
>You could cut off the Magnificent 7 completely and the EU would switch to new data sources and operating systems within a month. I can't begin to understand the level of delusion you have reached. You truly are fish unaware of the water you are in.
- bgwalter 10mo ago
  You are absolutely right and I apologize for the error! Would you like me to generate a chart that shows the amount of essential products that the EU produces vs.the U.S.?
  - pb7 10mo ago
    I take it since you moved the goal posts that you concede the EU is not competitive in tech, correct?
sajithdilshan 10mo ago
In which bubble are you living right now? Almost all the EU tech companies uses AWS, Google cloud or Microsoft Azure. Good luck with recovering any data if you completely cut off Mag7. Also Without iOS or Android play store, you're back using Nokia or Chinese counterpart. The pure ignorance the europeans have on their tech reliance on US tech is astounding.
- ben_w 10mo ago
  While I agree the other comment is overstating a bit on the speed of transition for all of the big seven at the same time (though we could probably do that for Meta, Tesla without any substitution, and Apple and Amazon if we keep Alphabet around): > Also Without iOS or Android play store, you're back using Nokia or Chinese counterpart. Yes, and? It's not like Chinese OSes (forks of Android or whatever) are noteworthy for being bad.

mohsen1 10mo ago

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grosswait 10mo ago
But the EU ensures plenty of work for lawyers
- kwanbix 10mo ago
  It is a joke, right? If there is a country where lawyrs thrive is the USA.
- randunel 10mo ago
  Having worked with both EU and non-EU companies, I disagree. US companies seem to be the most litigious, and EU companies more diligent. I've not observed any lawyer involvement from companies in Russia, Serbia, India, but my experience is rather limited there.
- mtoner23 10mo ago
  America has much more lawyers per capital than almost all European countries
CGMthrowaway 10mo ago
DG has added $10B of value for shareholders this year, on top of uniquely providing $40B a year of goods for a population that needs them. That's not a bad thing
- mohsen1 10mo ago
  I am an American citizen living in Europe. There are grocery stores here generating billions too. They have to advertise the price including taxes. That alone is a huge advantage for the shopper that regulations enforce it. If you're on the lower income side and have limited money to buy your groceries you don't have to guess the total price of your basket. Prices are WYSIWYG. I didn't think things are bad in the US until I lived here in Europe for some time to realize. Dollar General situation is bad and in a fairer system they would still make billions. Don't assume regulations that protects people automatically means bad business

pjc50 10mo ago

Somewhat more difficult to run a business when an American multinational steals your revenue and your content. On the other hand, the complainer mentioned is the Daily Mail. I'd much rather see a non specific ruling over whether or not summarizing already short articles is copyright infringement - regardless of who's doing it. Copyright litigation and legislation tends to favor the richer party no matter where it happens. Newspapers are notorious for lifting stories and photos from social media. They rarely bother to compensate the original creator either. Perhaps a better approach is to make sure that the AI summaries are just as liable for libel actions, and regulator mandatory corrections, as the newspapers.

nalnq 10mo ago
I thought here in HN we agreed that copying information was not stealing? You know, how you are not depriving the original website of their information or anything, because everything can be copied infinitely.
- blitzar 10mo ago
  ... we agreed that copying information was not stealing if you are the compnay stealing it, but if it is your information that it is being stolen then it is theft and should be treated as such.
hopelite 10mo ago
> make sure that the AI summaries are just as liable for libel actions Is libel in AI generated summaries a problem? Also, it seems you are fundamentally missing how AI is different. What would you expect a “regulator mandatory correction” to look like, a one sentence summary comes with a notice that it was corrected at some point? AI is also going to make regulators and bureaucrats totally superfluous if done properly, where AI simply “regulates” based on laws written in a clear text and open weight manner.
- ben_w 10mo ago
  > Is libel in AI generated summaries a problem? Clearly, given there have been cases about it already. > Also, it seems you are fundamentally missing how AI is different. What would you expect a “regulator mandatory correction” to look like, a one sentence summary comes with a notice that it was corrected at some point? Laws shouldn't care about mechanisms, they should care about outcomes. We can't allow ourselves to say "this tech makes ${legal obligation XYZ} impossible to perform, let us deploy it anyway": either you figure out how to solve for ${XYZ} or you don't get to deploy it. > AI is also going to make regulators and bureaucrats totally superfluous if done properly, where AI simply “regulates” based on laws written in a clear text and open weight manner. "If" is doing heavy lifting there — "if done properly", AI makes all human labour redundant. Nobody knows how far away "done properly" is.

chaostheory 10mo ago

It’s called thinly veiled protectionism just like the GDPR

Nextgrid 10mo ago
GDPR is an excellent idea if it was actually enforced, which it wasn't. To their credit, the non-enforcement was consistent regardless of whether the offender was EU-based or not.

peterspath 10mo ago

Europe is awesome. The European Union sucks at the moment. It should go back to its roots and be a European Free Trade Association only. It is enough.

SPICLK2 10mo ago

Where "curve" = "exporting shiny toys without thought to long-term consequences". Good to see the EU is finally catching up to the harms of this and other US web tech.

2OEH8eoCRo0 10mo ago

Further behind on what? The rape of their citizens by big tech?