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The author (me) wasn't writing for you. If you haven't been paying attention to the various bigots trying to rouse hate from their position of technology promi

by edent 10mo ago

The author (me) wasn't writing for you. If you haven't been paying attention to the various bigots trying to rouse hate from their position of technology prominence, then I don't think my post will convince you of anything

mvdtnz 10mo ago
You strike me as a deeply unpleasant person.
lelanthran 10mo ago
> If you haven't been paying attention to the various bigots trying to rouse hate from their position of technology prominence, then I don't think my post will convince you of anything You think your post is not one trying to rouse hate against specific people? You ever come across the word thoughtcrime? You think telling perhaps 50% or the population they "have no business being here" is inclusive? A large number of the classes who you pretend to be representing actually don't buy into oppression olympics. You want to write a screed against the owner of X? Sure, go ahead. But your screed is against anyone who doesn't care about verifying a person's race, gender or sexual orientation. You're presenting an extremist "you're with us or against us" view; some of us who aren't racist, sexist, misogynist, etc also don't want to have to pass your purity test. Some people just want the puritannicals to leave everyone alone.
- wredcoll 10mo ago
  > You think your post is not one trying to rouse hate against specific people? It's taken me a while to understand what I find so abhorrent about this frequent rhetorical device and I finally realized it's just plain ol' false equivalence. Hating nazis for the harm they've caused is, in fact, just fine. Hating someone because they were born jewish/black/gay/whatever, is not fine. Pretending that people out here advocating for deportation/camps/imprisonment for the crimes of skin color or religion or whatever else is the same moral equivalence as those people just wanting to be left alone is leaving the realm of stupidity and verging on malice. > Some people just want the puritannicals to leave everyone alone It's, uh, "weird" that your problem isn't with the bigotry and bigots but with the people who point it out.
  - lelanthran 10mo ago
    > Hating nazis for the harm they've caused is, in fact, just fine. Sure. Where did I say it isn't? The problem is the author (and yourself) is okay with branding fully half the population, including the people you are pretending to speak on behalf off, as "having no business" being somewhere. All thoughts are welcome, unless you have different thoughts.
    - edent 10mo ago
      The author (me) we not trying to rouse hate against specific people. Indeed, I didn't mention or name anyone. If you truly believe that 50% of people are full of hate, then I can only suggest you get off the computer and go out into your local community. Most people are willing to give a helping hand to someone who needs it. Most people don't go shouting slurs. Most people don't want their neighbours to live in fear. If truly 50% of the people you meet are filled with hate and rage against the world, I think that probably says more about the company you keep than it does about the world.
      - lelanthran 10mo ago
        > If you truly believe that 50% of people are full of hate, then I can only suggest you get off the computer and go out into your local community. I obviously don't believe that :-/. Your PoV is that anyone who isn't joining you in your campaign "has no business being here". What's your estimate on how many people are full of hate? 25%? 5%? 0.5%? What's your estimate on how many people don't care to join your campaign? 25%? 5%? 0.5%? I ask because you're painting with an awfully broad brush, implying very strongly that people who don't care to join your campaign "have no business being here". Because from where I am, maybe 0.5% of people are filled with the hate you think they have, and maybe 50% (probably more) just don't want to join campaigns like yours. In your writing you lump them all together, in "Us good guys, against everyone else!", not "Us, good guys, against 0.5% of people".
        edent 10mo ago
        Again, you'll notice that I didn't actually ask anyone to join a campaign. I rather conspicuously didn't ask anyone to become a member of a political party, sign a petition, or donate money to a cause. I am literally not organising anything. I am not able to ban people from the web. I don't have that power, nor would I want it. As for percentages, I suggest you speak to people. Ask them if they think it is ok to be gay. You can probably look up the statistics for your country - but in most places, people are tolerant. Ask your friends and family if gay people should be banned from studying at universities. Ask them if your city should only allow white residents. Ask if they think it is useful to build wheelchair accessible buildings. In my experience, it probably is only the 0.5% that you experience. We agree! But then ask them whether people who bully minorities should be welcomed in polite society. I'd be fascinated to hear what they (and you) answer to that question.

by edent 10mo ago

mvdtnz 10mo ago

You strike me as a deeply unpleasant person.

lelanthran 10mo ago

> If you haven't been paying attention to the various bigots trying to rouse hate from their position of technology prominence, then I don't think my post will convince you of anything You think your post is not one trying to rouse hate against specific people? You ever come across the word thoughtcrime? You think telling perhaps 50% or the population they "have no business being here" is inclusive? A large number of the classes who you pretend to be representing actually don't buy into oppression olympics. You want to write a screed against the owner of X? Sure, go ahead. But your screed is against anyone who doesn't care about verifying a person's race, gender or sexual orientation. You're presenting an extremist "you're with us or against us" view; some of us who aren't racist, sexist, misogynist, etc also don't want to have to pass your purity test. Some people just want the puritannicals to leave everyone alone.

wredcoll 10mo ago
> You think your post is not one trying to rouse hate against specific people? It's taken me a while to understand what I find so abhorrent about this frequent rhetorical device and I finally realized it's just plain ol' false equivalence. Hating nazis for the harm they've caused is, in fact, just fine. Hating someone because they were born jewish/black/gay/whatever, is not fine. Pretending that people out here advocating for deportation/camps/imprisonment for the crimes of skin color or religion or whatever else is the same moral equivalence as those people just wanting to be left alone is leaving the realm of stupidity and verging on malice. > Some people just want the puritannicals to leave everyone alone It's, uh, "weird" that your problem isn't with the bigotry and bigots but with the people who point it out.
- lelanthran 10mo ago
  > Hating nazis for the harm they've caused is, in fact, just fine. Sure. Where did I say it isn't? The problem is the author (and yourself) is okay with branding fully half the population, including the people you are pretending to speak on behalf off, as "having no business" being somewhere. All thoughts are welcome, unless you have different thoughts.
  - edent 10mo ago
    The author (me) we not trying to rouse hate against specific people. Indeed, I didn't mention or name anyone. If you truly believe that 50% of people are full of hate, then I can only suggest you get off the computer and go out into your local community. Most people are willing to give a helping hand to someone who needs it. Most people don't go shouting slurs. Most people don't want their neighbours to live in fear. If truly 50% of the people you meet are filled with hate and rage against the world, I think that probably says more about the company you keep than it does about the world.
    - lelanthran 10mo ago
      > If you truly believe that 50% of people are full of hate, then I can only suggest you get off the computer and go out into your local community. I obviously don't believe that :-/. Your PoV is that anyone who isn't joining you in your campaign "has no business being here". What's your estimate on how many people are full of hate? 25%? 5%? 0.5%? What's your estimate on how many people don't care to join your campaign? 25%? 5%? 0.5%? I ask because you're painting with an awfully broad brush, implying very strongly that people who don't care to join your campaign "have no business being here". Because from where I am, maybe 0.5% of people are filled with the hate you think they have, and maybe 50% (probably more) just don't want to join campaigns like yours. In your writing you lump them all together, in "Us good guys, against everyone else!", not "Us, good guys, against 0.5% of people".
      - edent 10mo ago
        Again, you'll notice that I didn't actually ask anyone to join a campaign. I rather conspicuously didn't ask anyone to become a member of a political party, sign a petition, or donate money to a cause. I am literally not organising anything. I am not able to ban people from the web. I don't have that power, nor would I want it. As for percentages, I suggest you speak to people. Ask them if they think it is ok to be gay. You can probably look up the statistics for your country - but in most places, people are tolerant. Ask your friends and family if gay people should be banned from studying at universities. Ask them if your city should only allow white residents. Ask if they think it is useful to build wheelchair accessible buildings. In my experience, it probably is only the 0.5% that you experience. We agree! But then ask them whether people who bully minorities should be welcomed in polite society. I'd be fascinated to hear what they (and you) answer to that question.