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Kinda makes you wonder why you need cloud for anything besides remote encrypted backups if you can run all that on 12GB

by duckbot3000 10mo ago

setr 10mo ago
Because getting any hardware out of infra-team on premise is utterly miserable, across the board.
- lelanthran 10mo ago
  That's not the only alternative. Rent your VPS and add in extra volumes for like $10 per 100GB.
  - Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
    Funny thing but netcup has $10 per 1 TB Netcup is under-rated but there are also other providers too at lowendbox/lowendtalk and I am interested to try out hetzner too sometime.
    - benjiro 10mo ago
      And if you want to go even cheaper, check out Hetzner their EX63 (go to custom) > 4x 7.68TB drives for like 140 Euro. Not counting the fact that Netcup is raided (also Netcup is limited to 8TB on a VPS). That is like 4.7 Euro /TB. That is like 4$/TB. 6 Euro / TB in a raid 5 setup. I do not understand why they are not using this new pricing model on their older servers. There the best you can get is like 10 Euro /TB (for the single 15TB U.2).
    - lelanthran 10mo ago
      > Funny thing but netcup has $10 per 1 TB Nice to know, but I was just guessing at what a reasonable price would be :-)
riku_iki 10mo ago
what about failover story if server dies? PG failover setup is complicated, and cloud infra handles this for you.
- positron26 10mo ago
  Do we mean managed or PG on K8s like CNPG? In all cases, I use the infra to simplify things like having disk redundancy and failover nodes, not because 12GB is interesting.
  - riku_iki 10mo ago
    Primary managed PG, since you still need setup/maintenance/monitoring on your K8S own solution.
    - positron26 10mo ago
      You guys are doing monitoring? ;-)
- logifail 10mo ago
  (Genuine question) What's your current plan for when your cloud provider goes offline? Do you have a failover story, or it a case of "wait for them to come back online"?
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  - riku_iki 10mo ago
    I have backups on different cloud provider, so I could bootstrap db if provider goes dark indefinitely. But realistically, I believe major clouds (google, aws) likely has more robust org and infra for recovery than I can built and maintain.
- tjwebbnorfolk 10mo ago
  What are you willing to pay for cloud-native failover? Not every use case requires 100% uptime
Nextgrid 10mo ago
You don't, but business executives aren't the kind to easily admit they got conned - and if they're getting close to that stage, a nice dinner or golfing session paid by the vendor's representative generally alleviates those feelings very well. Engineers who started their career during the cloud craze and don't know anything else are also not the kind to rock the boat, lest the cash cow dies and their whole "investment" in their career becomes useless.

Kinda makes you wonder why you need cloud for anything besides remote encrypted backups if you can run all that on 12GB

setr 10mo ago

Because getting any hardware out of infra-team on premise is utterly miserable, across the board.

lelanthran 10mo ago
That's not the only alternative. Rent your VPS and add in extra volumes for like $10 per 100GB.
- Imustaskforhelp 10mo ago
  Funny thing but netcup has $10 per 1 TB Netcup is under-rated but there are also other providers too at lowendbox/lowendtalk and I am interested to try out hetzner too sometime.
  - benjiro 10mo ago
    And if you want to go even cheaper, check out Hetzner their EX63 (go to custom) > 4x 7.68TB drives for like 140 Euro. Not counting the fact that Netcup is raided (also Netcup is limited to 8TB on a VPS). That is like 4.7 Euro /TB. That is like 4$/TB. 6 Euro / TB in a raid 5 setup. I do not understand why they are not using this new pricing model on their older servers. There the best you can get is like 10 Euro /TB (for the single 15TB U.2).
  - lelanthran 10mo ago
    > Funny thing but netcup has $10 per 1 TB Nice to know, but I was just guessing at what a reasonable price would be :-)

riku_iki 10mo ago

what about failover story if server dies? PG failover setup is complicated, and cloud infra handles this for you.

positron26 10mo ago
Do we mean managed or PG on K8s like CNPG? In all cases, I use the infra to simplify things like having disk redundancy and failover nodes, not because 12GB is interesting.
- riku_iki 10mo ago
  Primary managed PG, since you still need setup/maintenance/monitoring on your K8S own solution.
  - positron26 10mo ago
    You guys are doing monitoring? ;-)
logifail 10mo ago
(Genuine question) What's your current plan for when your cloud provider goes offline? Do you have a failover story, or it a case of "wait for them to come back online"?
- deleted 10mo ago
  [deleted]
- riku_iki 10mo ago
  I have backups on different cloud provider, so I could bootstrap db if provider goes dark indefinitely. But realistically, I believe major clouds (google, aws) likely has more robust org and infra for recovery than I can built and maintain.
tjwebbnorfolk 10mo ago
What are you willing to pay for cloud-native failover? Not every use case requires 100% uptime

Nextgrid 10mo ago

You don't, but business executives aren't the kind to easily admit they got conned - and if they're getting close to that stage, a nice dinner or golfing session paid by the vendor's representative generally alleviates those feelings very well. Engineers who started their career during the cloud craze and don't know anything else are also not the kind to rock the boat, lest the cash cow dies and their whole "investment" in their career becomes useless.