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The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation under international law. In so far as the resistance is confined to military targets it's entirely lawful. Th

by g8oz 10mo ago

The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation under international law. In so far as the resistance is confined to military targets it's entirely lawful. The same sort of Westerner who immediately understands Ukrainian resistance struggles to understand the Palestinian perspective. Israeli settlers have murdered upwards of a thousand Palestinians in the West Bank since October 7th. They're never held accountable and have significant support from the right-wing members of the coalition government - cabinet minister Ben-Gvir was the lawyer for the settlers who burnt a Palestinian baby alive. Numerous Palestinian communities have been ethnically cleansed in a systematic campaign. The ultimate motivation for these actions is the ethnic supremacist cult of Zionism. The Palestinians could turn into a bunch of Scandinavian vegans tomorrow and it would not change a thing because it is the Zionist ideology that creates and maintains the conflict as part of its intrinsic nature. You have spammed this discussion with enough misleading "facts" to paint a picture of a throwback Bush Jr era American bloviator. Please give it a rest now.

jameshilliard 10mo ago
> The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation under international law. Doesn't give them a right to commit war crimes though. > In so far as the resistance is confined to military targets it's entirely lawful. Palestinian "resistance" tends to not confine themselves to military targets in general. > The same sort of Westerner who immediately understands Ukrainian resistance struggles to understand the Palestinian perspective. I don't recall Ukrainian resistance targeting civilians in general. > They're never held accountable and have significant support from the right-wing members of the coalition government - cabinet minister Ben-Gvir was the lawyer for the settlers who burnt a Palestinian baby alive. Ben-Gvir was convicted of supporting a terrorist organization by Israeli courts and has very little support amongst the Israeli public, Israel just tends to get more extremists in the Knesset due to the proportional voting system than say in a country with a two party system. > The ultimate motivation for these actions is the ethnic supremacist cult of Zionism. Jews have a pretty bad history when it comes to living as ethnic minorities in other countries, it's not surprising that they would want at least 1 state in which they are an ethnic majority amongst the many Muslim majority states.
- Saline9515 10mo ago
  > Doesn't give them a right to commit war crimes though. Kinda ironic for someone defending the right of Israel to commit war crimes against civilians. Can we talk about the massive Israeli protests on the noble topic of "we should be allowed to r+p3 prisoners"? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinia...
  - jameshilliard 10mo ago
    > Kinda ironic for someone defending the right of Israel to commit war crimes against civilians. I don't recall defending anyone deliberately committing war crimes against civilians, I should note that collateral damage by itself is not a war crime of course. > Can we talk about the massive Israeli protests on the noble topic of "we should be allowed to r+p3 prisoners"? I'm not defending them, Israel has some issues with extremists for sure, although it's far from being as bad as Palestinian extremism which sadly tends to have surprisingly high levels of support amongst Palestinians. Most Israelis don't support these sort of things and just want to live in peace.
    - Saline9515 10mo ago
      > collateral damage What is the point where "collateral damage" and "killing civilians" aren't different? We saw well in Gaza how the Israeli government didn't care at all about civilians and just razed entire cities. It's not "just this time": Israelis have been involved in terrorist killings against civilians since even before the existence of Israel, and continued the atrocities against civilians after[1], with the goal to displace them. > "Most Israelis want to live in peace" Yet support colonization and elect far-right governments which openly defend an imperialistic "Great Israel" agenda.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-says-hes-on-a-historic-and-spiritual-mission-endorses-vision-of-greater-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-says-...

by g8oz 10mo ago

jameshilliard 10mo ago

> The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation under international law. Doesn't give them a right to commit war crimes though. > In so far as the resistance is confined to military targets it's entirely lawful. Palestinian "resistance" tends to not confine themselves to military targets in general. > The same sort of Westerner who immediately understands Ukrainian resistance struggles to understand the Palestinian perspective. I don't recall Ukrainian resistance targeting civilians in general. > They're never held accountable and have significant support from the right-wing members of the coalition government - cabinet minister Ben-Gvir was the lawyer for the settlers who burnt a Palestinian baby alive. Ben-Gvir was convicted of supporting a terrorist organization by Israeli courts and has very little support amongst the Israeli public, Israel just tends to get more extremists in the Knesset due to the proportional voting system than say in a country with a two party system. > The ultimate motivation for these actions is the ethnic supremacist cult of Zionism. Jews have a pretty bad history when it comes to living as ethnic minorities in other countries, it's not surprising that they would want at least 1 state in which they are an ethnic majority amongst the many Muslim majority states.

Saline9515 10mo ago
> Doesn't give them a right to commit war crimes though. Kinda ironic for someone defending the right of Israel to commit war crimes against civilians. Can we talk about the massive Israeli protests on the noble topic of "we should be allowed to r+p3 prisoners"? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinian-prisoner-alleged-rape-sde-teinman-abuse-protest/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinia...
- jameshilliard 10mo ago
  > Kinda ironic for someone defending the right of Israel to commit war crimes against civilians. I don't recall defending anyone deliberately committing war crimes against civilians, I should note that collateral damage by itself is not a war crime of course. > Can we talk about the massive Israeli protests on the noble topic of "we should be allowed to r+p3 prisoners"? I'm not defending them, Israel has some issues with extremists for sure, although it's far from being as bad as Palestinian extremism which sadly tends to have surprisingly high levels of support amongst Palestinians. Most Israelis don't support these sort of things and just want to live in peace.
  - Saline9515 10mo ago
    > collateral damage What is the point where "collateral damage" and "killing civilians" aren't different? We saw well in Gaza how the Israeli government didn't care at all about civilians and just razed entire cities. It's not "just this time": Israelis have been involved in terrorist killings against civilians since even before the existence of Israel, and continued the atrocities against civilians after[1], with the goal to displace them. > "Most Israelis want to live in peace" Yet support colonization and elect far-right governments which openly defend an imperialistic "Great Israel" agenda.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-says-hes-on-a-historic-and-spiritual-mission-endorses-vision-of-greater-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-says-...