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Wow this is amazing, they can desalinate enough water to fill a lake, while Palestinians are drinking dirty water.

by RobMurray 10mo ago

netsharc 10mo ago
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- tguvot 10mo ago
  unsustainable is not having water . which is the case in israel with frequent drought. 80-90% of potable water comes from desalination, and 90% of waste water is recycled
cbeach 10mo ago
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- Saline9515 10mo ago
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  - tguvot 10mo ago
    hamas present in west bank. there are areas that are no go for palestinian authority in west bank because of it. year ago PA tried to clean hamas from those areas, got it ass kicked and asked Israel for help. Major reason why there are no elections in west bank, it's because current palestinian government knows that hamas will win
    - chimineycricket 10mo ago
      I'm following your reasoning. Most West Bank residents are terrorist supporters and therefore they should be...killed?
      - jameshilliard 10mo ago
        > I'm following your reasoning. Most West Bank residents are terrorist supporters and therefore they should be...killed? There probably needs to be some sort of serious de-radicalization process in the West Bank if there is to be any chance of ending the occupation without starting another war. Israel was taught that unilateral disengagement is not a viable strategy for peace, it didn't work in Gaza and it didn't work in Lebanon either with Hezbollah, peace in the region comes from bilateral peace agreements that are agreed to by both sides(i.e. like with Jordan/Egypt) and not from unilateral actions on the part of Israel(like the 2005 Gaza disengagement).
        chimineycricket 10mo ago
        Do you really believe Israel wants to stop occupying the West Bank? Just this month Israel killed 2 brothers (children), because they were identified as a threat. They continue to expand settlements, and they bomb during ceasefires. Can you give me any example of Israel really attempting peace? 2005 disengagement, but they have the levers to keep Gazans on the brink of death, by bottlenecking food, water, etc. Just because it's called disengagement, doesn't mean it really is. Don't accept their propaganda at face value, or anyone's, obviously. "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."
        jameshilliard 10mo ago
        > Do you really believe Israel wants to stop occupying the West Bank? In the past there has been some desire to do so, although that's faded quite a bit as it has become clear there is at the moment no real partner for peace on the Palestinian side. Palestinians need a leader who is truly interested in peace, sort of like Sadat was in Egypt who was critical to normalizing relations with Israel. Ultimately what many in Israel want is a real peace deal, but without a party on the other side that's going to be pretty difficult. > Just this month Israel killed 2 brothers (children), because they were identified as a threat. I'm not sure what specific incident this is in reference to but there are plenty of security threats in both the West Bank and Gaza, and it's pretty well known that Hamas uses child soldiers as well as human shields. > They continue to expand settlements I agree this is problematic, but terrorism is likely only going to encourage settlement expansion as settlements are seen by some in Israel as providing a security barrier. Israel is a country lacking in strategic depth[0] and the West Bank is especially problematic due to its proximity cities like Tel Aviv. After the previous failed unilateral disengagements in Gaza and Lebanon I think it's extremely unlikely for Israel to continue with that strategy. > they bomb during ceasefires Often in retaliation for ceasefire violations on the part of terrorists. > Can you give me any example of Israel really attempting peace? For example the 2000 Camp David Summit, where Israel made a number of offers that Palestinian leadership rejected without making any concrete counteroffers, this peace attempt immediately preceded the Second Intifada. Part of the reason Israel is often wary of peace attempts like this is due to Palestinian leadership not negotiating in good faith. > 2005 disengagement, but they have the levers to keep Gazans on the brink of death, by bottlenecking food, water, etc. What do you expect Israel to do when Hamas starts attacking Israel and stockpiling weapons. If Israel hadn't been attacked I think it would have been pretty unlikely for them to have blockaded Gaza. > Just because it's called disengagement, doesn't mean it really is. Don't accept their propaganda at face value, or anyone's, obviously. They evicted every Israeli from Gaza and gave it a try, clearly unilateral disengagement just doesn't work, and in the case of Lebanon with Hezbollah Israel had a similar issue and there wasn't even a blockade there. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_depth#In_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_depth#In_Israel
    - dragonwriter 10mo ago
      > PA tried to clean hamas from those areas, got it ass kicked and asked Israel for help. PA has to ask Israel to do anything of substance in the WB, because the WB is a mix of Israeli and PA controlled areas, with Israel controlling internal boundaries even between adjacent PA-controlled areas. > Major reason why there are no elections in west bank, it's because current palestinian government knows that hamas will win No, the only reason is that Israel has refused to cooperate with all-Palestine elections negotiated and agreed to between Fatah (the party in control of the PA government) and Hamas, on multiple occasions (because Israel administers parts of the WB, and for other reasons, active Israeli cooperation would be necessary.) Most likely because the divide between the Fatah-led PA and Hamas, and the ability to portray both as undemocratic, serves Israeli's propaganda and other interests.
      - jameshilliard 10mo ago
        > PA has to ask Israel to do anything of substance in the WB, because the WB is a mix of Israeli and PA controlled areas, with Israel controlling internal boundaries even between adjacent PA-controlled areas. It's much more than just that, the PA/Fatah is considered to be very weak and are extremely unpopular in the West Bank. If Israel didn't intervene Hamas would likely oust Fatah in the West Bank similar to what happened in Gaza. > the only reason is that Israel has refused to cooperate with all-Palestine elections negotiated and agreed to between Fatah (the party in control of the PA government) and Hamas Fatah knows they would lose an election in the West Bank to Hamas, this is something neither Israel or Fatah wants, hence no elections. > Most likely because the divide between the Fatah-led PA and Hamas, and the ability to portray both as undemocratic, serves Israeli's propaganda and other interests. They tried all-Palestine elections in 2006[0], that backfired spectacularly. Hamas was elected in what were generally considered free and fair elections, pretty hard to get a good election outcome if a majority or at least a plurality of the population wants to elect terrorists. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e...
        g8oz 10mo ago
        The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation under international law. In so far as the resistance is confined to military targets it's entirely lawful. The same sort of Westerner who immediately understands Ukrainian resistance struggles to understand the Palestinian perspective. Israeli settlers have murdered upwards of a thousand Palestinians in the West Bank since October 7th. They're never held accountable and have significant support from the right-wing members of the coalition government - cabinet minister Ben-Gvir was the lawyer for the settlers who burnt a Palestinian baby alive. Numerous Palestinian communities have been ethnically cleansed in a systematic campaign. The ultimate motivation for these actions is the ethnic supremacist cult of Zionism. The Palestinians could turn into a bunch of Scandinavian vegans tomorrow and it would not change a thing because it is the Zionist ideology that creates and maintains the conflict as part of its intrinsic nature. You have spammed this discussion with enough misleading "facts" to paint a picture of a throwback Bush Jr era American bloviator. Please give it a rest now.
    - Saline9515 10mo ago
      The killings of civilians in the West Bank and the colonization process has nothing to do with the anecdotic presence of Hamas there. When fanatic religious colonizers point guns at Palestinians to prevent them from harvesting their olive trees, and then call the army as backup if things heat, what does Hamas has anything to do with the situation? By the way, Hamas is so bad that Netanyahu was actively helping funding it before the start of the war[1]. I guess that you should consider Netanyahu and your intelligence services as terrorists, then? Israel will spend 750M$ on advertising next year to clean its international image. I really wonder why, since they do only the right things! [1]https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2020-02-24/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-israel-mossad-chief-doha-qatar-continue-hamas-gaza-money-transfer/0000017f-ded8-d856-a37f-ffd88a960000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2020-02-24/ty-artic...
      - tguvot 10mo ago
        anecdotal presence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Palestinian_Authority_operation_in_Jenin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Palestinian_... As you probably missed news from decade ago, when PA and Hamas had one of their fights, PA stopped paying for gaza bills and salaries of 50k or so employees in gaza. International news had headlines that hundreds of thousands of people in gaza will starve to death because they have no money to buy food and that all services in gaza will collapse and it will be humanitarian catastrophe. So under pressure from international organizations and news Israel allowed qatari funds to be transferred to gaza in order to sustain pa employees and services and israel spent $750m on advertisement, because as you prove it, people don't know history beyond what is shown on latest tiktok ps. also jews in west bank are indigenous population that was ethnically cleansed by jordan in 1948. not "colonizers"
        Saline9515 10mo ago
        Due to the zionist colonization, the West Bank is an archipelago now, and the Hamas is clearly not widespread there. Even then, it acts as a convenient strawman as the killings of civilians in the West Bank have nothing to do with the Hamas. But rather more about clashes with colonizers, who are backed-up in the illegal actions by the military. https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/02/1160066 https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/02/1160066 What you are saying about the Hamas funding is false, as the article states, Qatar has funded the Hamas with more than a billion dollars between 2012 and 2019 with Israel's approval. As your comments show, Hamas is a convenient opponent that allows Israel to justify its colonization. If it were to disappear it would be a serious problem. Jews in the West Bank are not indigenous, the religious zionists who come there are mainly orthodox jews from Europe racially white. And even then, it doesn't allow you to steal land. The Palestinians today are not collectively responsible for the actions of other Arab States after the war.
  - jameshilliard 10mo ago
    > Sorry but that's plain false. What exactly are you claiming is false? > Palestinians living in the West Bank, where there is no Hamas Now this is just blatantly false, while Hamas might not be the rulers of the West Bank they certainly have a significant presence and high popularity there. If the PA were to hold free and fair elections in the West Bank Hamas would almost certainly win those elections.
    - Saline9515 10mo ago
      It's false that the civilian killings in the West Bank are linked to the Hamas. It has more to do with the illegal colonization and the lack of legal protections for Palestinian inhabitants.
      - jameshilliard 10mo ago
        > It's false that the civilian killings in the West Bank are linked to the Hamas. It has more to do with the illegal colonization and the lack of legal protections for Palestinian inhabitants. There are plenty of Palestinian terrorism related security issues in the West Bank.
- ubertaco 10mo ago
  I'm struggling to figure out how you really believe this. Even if you didn't bother to actually read reporting or see images from the ground of children being shot in their mothers' arms by the IDF and such real horrors perpetrated against civilians who are obviously and visibly non-combatants, it's puzzling how nothing in the hyperbolic, propagandic tone of the alleged quote leads you to question its veracity (or even makes you look twice at taking Russia Today TV as a trustworthy source).
  - jameshilliard 10mo ago
    > Even if you didn't bother to actually read reporting or see images from the ground of children being shot in their mothers' arms by the IDF and such real horrors perpetrated against civilians who are obviously and visibly non-combatants, it's puzzling how nothing in the hyperbolic, propagandic tone of the alleged quote leads you to question its veracity (or even makes you look twice at taking Russia Today TV as a trustworthy source). You realize getting civilians killed by using them as human shields is an actual Hamas strategy(and war crime) right?[0] [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israel-ceasefire-hostage-talks-intl https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israe...
  - cbeach 10mo ago
    It's going to be hard to reason with each other if we just exchange the extreme examples we've seen in propaganda (on both sides). That's why I quoted Hamas themselves. Because that's not Israeli propaganda. It's a factual account from a primary source. And if you like I can provide the Hamas-supplied footage of attrocities committed against more than a thousand Israeli civilians on a -single day-. Let's stick to primary sources if we're going to compare the horrors happening in Israel and Gaza.
- chimineycricket 10mo ago
  https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6390/The-Israeli-army%E2%80%99s-use-of-Palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields-has-been-documented-on-a-large-scale https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6390/The-Israeli-army%...
- aagha 10mo ago
  Because there's nothing else to live for. When your children are shot, young men imprisoned without cause, and women sexually assaulted, while having your food blocked and land stolen, you turn to desperate measures.
- Gud 10mo ago
  The Palestinians are now living in an open air prison due to foreigners who came to their homeland with weapons. What do you expect them to do?
  - cbeach 10mo ago
    So much to examine in this comment. Firstly "homeland": The last owners of "Palestine" were the British. But if we trace the history of the region further to see who the real indigenous people were, you'll find it were Jews, who were there for more than a thousand years before the religion of Islam even existed. The fact that there are mosques on this land is only a symptom of the colonial conquest of the land by Islam. If you want to know whose "homeland" this is you need to go back further in time. Secondly "open air prison": Egypt prevents Gazans from leaving Gaza over the Rafah border crossing due to the political and security issues Gazans have presented to Egypt - not because Egypt is deliberately "imprisoning" Gazans. Obviously, the Israeli border with Gaza has to exist, because if it didn't, the terrorist regime in charge of Gaza makes no secret of the fact they would repeat the October 7th attrocity, and many more thousands of innocent Israelis would be killed by Gazans. And that's on top of the rocket attacks from Gaza to Israeli towns, which have been going on for many years. The fact Israel provides Gaza with energy, water, jobs, and telecoms always baffles me. Gaza's government literally wrote in their Charter that they existed to see the "annihilation" of the Jewish state. It is extremely magnanimous the Israel provides Gaza with ANY services whatsoever.
tguvot 10mo ago
Israel supplies desalinated water both to palestinians and to jordan. and if you will read the article, there is nothing about filling the lake. it will add 0.5cm/month. kineret is now 4.63m below "full" line
mhb 10mo ago
Tough to receive the water when you convert your water pipes into rockets to shoot at the water supplier.
myth_drannon 10mo ago
That's because Hamas dug out the water pipes to build rockets - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-...

Wow this is amazing, they can desalinate enough water to fill a lake, while Palestinians are drinking dirty water.

netsharc 10mo ago

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tguvot 10mo ago
unsustainable is not having water . which is the case in israel with frequent drought. 80-90% of potable water comes from desalination, and 90% of waste water is recycled

cbeach 10mo ago

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Saline9515 10mo ago
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- tguvot 10mo ago
  hamas present in west bank. there are areas that are no go for palestinian authority in west bank because of it. year ago PA tried to clean hamas from those areas, got it ass kicked and asked Israel for help. Major reason why there are no elections in west bank, it's because current palestinian government knows that hamas will win
  - chimineycricket 10mo ago
    I'm following your reasoning. Most West Bank residents are terrorist supporters and therefore they should be...killed?
    - jameshilliard 10mo ago
      > I'm following your reasoning. Most West Bank residents are terrorist supporters and therefore they should be...killed? There probably needs to be some sort of serious de-radicalization process in the West Bank if there is to be any chance of ending the occupation without starting another war. Israel was taught that unilateral disengagement is not a viable strategy for peace, it didn't work in Gaza and it didn't work in Lebanon either with Hezbollah, peace in the region comes from bilateral peace agreements that are agreed to by both sides(i.e. like with Jordan/Egypt) and not from unilateral actions on the part of Israel(like the 2005 Gaza disengagement).
      - chimineycricket 10mo ago
        Do you really believe Israel wants to stop occupying the West Bank? Just this month Israel killed 2 brothers (children), because they were identified as a threat. They continue to expand settlements, and they bomb during ceasefires. Can you give me any example of Israel really attempting peace? 2005 disengagement, but they have the levers to keep Gazans on the brink of death, by bottlenecking food, water, etc. Just because it's called disengagement, doesn't mean it really is. Don't accept their propaganda at face value, or anyone's, obviously. "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."
        jameshilliard 10mo ago
        > Do you really believe Israel wants to stop occupying the West Bank? In the past there has been some desire to do so, although that's faded quite a bit as it has become clear there is at the moment no real partner for peace on the Palestinian side. Palestinians need a leader who is truly interested in peace, sort of like Sadat was in Egypt who was critical to normalizing relations with Israel. Ultimately what many in Israel want is a real peace deal, but without a party on the other side that's going to be pretty difficult. > Just this month Israel killed 2 brothers (children), because they were identified as a threat. I'm not sure what specific incident this is in reference to but there are plenty of security threats in both the West Bank and Gaza, and it's pretty well known that Hamas uses child soldiers as well as human shields. > They continue to expand settlements I agree this is problematic, but terrorism is likely only going to encourage settlement expansion as settlements are seen by some in Israel as providing a security barrier. Israel is a country lacking in strategic depth[0] and the West Bank is especially problematic due to its proximity cities like Tel Aviv. After the previous failed unilateral disengagements in Gaza and Lebanon I think it's extremely unlikely for Israel to continue with that strategy. > they bomb during ceasefires Often in retaliation for ceasefire violations on the part of terrorists. > Can you give me any example of Israel really attempting peace? For example the 2000 Camp David Summit, where Israel made a number of offers that Palestinian leadership rejected without making any concrete counteroffers, this peace attempt immediately preceded the Second Intifada. Part of the reason Israel is often wary of peace attempts like this is due to Palestinian leadership not negotiating in good faith. > 2005 disengagement, but they have the levers to keep Gazans on the brink of death, by bottlenecking food, water, etc. What do you expect Israel to do when Hamas starts attacking Israel and stockpiling weapons. If Israel hadn't been attacked I think it would have been pretty unlikely for them to have blockaded Gaza. > Just because it's called disengagement, doesn't mean it really is. Don't accept their propaganda at face value, or anyone's, obviously. They evicted every Israeli from Gaza and gave it a try, clearly unilateral disengagement just doesn't work, and in the case of Lebanon with Hezbollah Israel had a similar issue and there wasn't even a blockade there. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_depth#In_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_depth#In_Israel
  - dragonwriter 10mo ago
    > PA tried to clean hamas from those areas, got it ass kicked and asked Israel for help. PA has to ask Israel to do anything of substance in the WB, because the WB is a mix of Israeli and PA controlled areas, with Israel controlling internal boundaries even between adjacent PA-controlled areas. > Major reason why there are no elections in west bank, it's because current palestinian government knows that hamas will win No, the only reason is that Israel has refused to cooperate with all-Palestine elections negotiated and agreed to between Fatah (the party in control of the PA government) and Hamas, on multiple occasions (because Israel administers parts of the WB, and for other reasons, active Israeli cooperation would be necessary.) Most likely because the divide between the Fatah-led PA and Hamas, and the ability to portray both as undemocratic, serves Israeli's propaganda and other interests.
    - jameshilliard 10mo ago
      > PA has to ask Israel to do anything of substance in the WB, because the WB is a mix of Israeli and PA controlled areas, with Israel controlling internal boundaries even between adjacent PA-controlled areas. It's much more than just that, the PA/Fatah is considered to be very weak and are extremely unpopular in the West Bank. If Israel didn't intervene Hamas would likely oust Fatah in the West Bank similar to what happened in Gaza. > the only reason is that Israel has refused to cooperate with all-Palestine elections negotiated and agreed to between Fatah (the party in control of the PA government) and Hamas Fatah knows they would lose an election in the West Bank to Hamas, this is something neither Israel or Fatah wants, hence no elections. > Most likely because the divide between the Fatah-led PA and Hamas, and the ability to portray both as undemocratic, serves Israeli's propaganda and other interests. They tried all-Palestine elections in 2006[0], that backfired spectacularly. Hamas was elected in what were generally considered free and fair elections, pretty hard to get a good election outcome if a majority or at least a plurality of the population wants to elect terrorists. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e...
      - g8oz 10mo ago
        The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation under international law. In so far as the resistance is confined to military targets it's entirely lawful. The same sort of Westerner who immediately understands Ukrainian resistance struggles to understand the Palestinian perspective. Israeli settlers have murdered upwards of a thousand Palestinians in the West Bank since October 7th. They're never held accountable and have significant support from the right-wing members of the coalition government - cabinet minister Ben-Gvir was the lawyer for the settlers who burnt a Palestinian baby alive. Numerous Palestinian communities have been ethnically cleansed in a systematic campaign. The ultimate motivation for these actions is the ethnic supremacist cult of Zionism. The Palestinians could turn into a bunch of Scandinavian vegans tomorrow and it would not change a thing because it is the Zionist ideology that creates and maintains the conflict as part of its intrinsic nature. You have spammed this discussion with enough misleading "facts" to paint a picture of a throwback Bush Jr era American bloviator. Please give it a rest now.
  - Saline9515 10mo ago
    The killings of civilians in the West Bank and the colonization process has nothing to do with the anecdotic presence of Hamas there. When fanatic religious colonizers point guns at Palestinians to prevent them from harvesting their olive trees, and then call the army as backup if things heat, what does Hamas has anything to do with the situation? By the way, Hamas is so bad that Netanyahu was actively helping funding it before the start of the war[1]. I guess that you should consider Netanyahu and your intelligence services as terrorists, then? Israel will spend 750M$ on advertising next year to clean its international image. I really wonder why, since they do only the right things! [1]https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2020-02-24/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-israel-mossad-chief-doha-qatar-continue-hamas-gaza-money-transfer/0000017f-ded8-d856-a37f-ffd88a960000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2020-02-24/ty-artic...
    - tguvot 10mo ago
      anecdotal presence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Palestinian_Authority_operation_in_Jenin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024%E2%80%932025_Palestinian_... As you probably missed news from decade ago, when PA and Hamas had one of their fights, PA stopped paying for gaza bills and salaries of 50k or so employees in gaza. International news had headlines that hundreds of thousands of people in gaza will starve to death because they have no money to buy food and that all services in gaza will collapse and it will be humanitarian catastrophe. So under pressure from international organizations and news Israel allowed qatari funds to be transferred to gaza in order to sustain pa employees and services and israel spent $750m on advertisement, because as you prove it, people don't know history beyond what is shown on latest tiktok ps. also jews in west bank are indigenous population that was ethnically cleansed by jordan in 1948. not "colonizers"
      - Saline9515 10mo ago
        Due to the zionist colonization, the West Bank is an archipelago now, and the Hamas is clearly not widespread there. Even then, it acts as a convenient strawman as the killings of civilians in the West Bank have nothing to do with the Hamas. But rather more about clashes with colonizers, who are backed-up in the illegal actions by the military. https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/02/1160066 https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/02/1160066 What you are saying about the Hamas funding is false, as the article states, Qatar has funded the Hamas with more than a billion dollars between 2012 and 2019 with Israel's approval. As your comments show, Hamas is a convenient opponent that allows Israel to justify its colonization. If it were to disappear it would be a serious problem. Jews in the West Bank are not indigenous, the religious zionists who come there are mainly orthodox jews from Europe racially white. And even then, it doesn't allow you to steal land. The Palestinians today are not collectively responsible for the actions of other Arab States after the war.
- jameshilliard 10mo ago
  > Sorry but that's plain false. What exactly are you claiming is false? > Palestinians living in the West Bank, where there is no Hamas Now this is just blatantly false, while Hamas might not be the rulers of the West Bank they certainly have a significant presence and high popularity there. If the PA were to hold free and fair elections in the West Bank Hamas would almost certainly win those elections.
  - Saline9515 10mo ago
    It's false that the civilian killings in the West Bank are linked to the Hamas. It has more to do with the illegal colonization and the lack of legal protections for Palestinian inhabitants.
    - jameshilliard 10mo ago
      > It's false that the civilian killings in the West Bank are linked to the Hamas. It has more to do with the illegal colonization and the lack of legal protections for Palestinian inhabitants. There are plenty of Palestinian terrorism related security issues in the West Bank.
ubertaco 10mo ago
I'm struggling to figure out how you really believe this. Even if you didn't bother to actually read reporting or see images from the ground of children being shot in their mothers' arms by the IDF and such real horrors perpetrated against civilians who are obviously and visibly non-combatants, it's puzzling how nothing in the hyperbolic, propagandic tone of the alleged quote leads you to question its veracity (or even makes you look twice at taking Russia Today TV as a trustworthy source).
- jameshilliard 10mo ago
  > Even if you didn't bother to actually read reporting or see images from the ground of children being shot in their mothers' arms by the IDF and such real horrors perpetrated against civilians who are obviously and visibly non-combatants, it's puzzling how nothing in the hyperbolic, propagandic tone of the alleged quote leads you to question its veracity (or even makes you look twice at taking Russia Today TV as a trustworthy source). You realize getting civilians killed by using them as human shields is an actual Hamas strategy(and war crime) right?[0] [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israel-ceasefire-hostage-talks-intl https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israe...
- cbeach 10mo ago
  It's going to be hard to reason with each other if we just exchange the extreme examples we've seen in propaganda (on both sides). That's why I quoted Hamas themselves. Because that's not Israeli propaganda. It's a factual account from a primary source. And if you like I can provide the Hamas-supplied footage of attrocities committed against more than a thousand Israeli civilians on a -single day-. Let's stick to primary sources if we're going to compare the horrors happening in Israel and Gaza.
chimineycricket 10mo ago
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6390/The-Israeli-army%E2%80%99s-use-of-Palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields-has-been-documented-on-a-large-scale https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6390/The-Israeli-army%...
aagha 10mo ago
Because there's nothing else to live for. When your children are shot, young men imprisoned without cause, and women sexually assaulted, while having your food blocked and land stolen, you turn to desperate measures.
Gud 10mo ago
The Palestinians are now living in an open air prison due to foreigners who came to their homeland with weapons. What do you expect them to do?
- cbeach 10mo ago
  So much to examine in this comment. Firstly "homeland": The last owners of "Palestine" were the British. But if we trace the history of the region further to see who the real indigenous people were, you'll find it were Jews, who were there for more than a thousand years before the religion of Islam even existed. The fact that there are mosques on this land is only a symptom of the colonial conquest of the land by Islam. If you want to know whose "homeland" this is you need to go back further in time. Secondly "open air prison": Egypt prevents Gazans from leaving Gaza over the Rafah border crossing due to the political and security issues Gazans have presented to Egypt - not because Egypt is deliberately "imprisoning" Gazans. Obviously, the Israeli border with Gaza has to exist, because if it didn't, the terrorist regime in charge of Gaza makes no secret of the fact they would repeat the October 7th attrocity, and many more thousands of innocent Israelis would be killed by Gazans. And that's on top of the rocket attacks from Gaza to Israeli towns, which have been going on for many years. The fact Israel provides Gaza with energy, water, jobs, and telecoms always baffles me. Gaza's government literally wrote in their Charter that they existed to see the "annihilation" of the Jewish state. It is extremely magnanimous the Israel provides Gaza with ANY services whatsoever.

tguvot 10mo ago

Israel supplies desalinated water both to palestinians and to jordan. and if you will read the article, there is nothing about filling the lake. it will add 0.5cm/month. kineret is now 4.63m below "full" line

mhb 10mo ago

Tough to receive the water when you convert your water pipes into rockets to shoot at the water supplier.

myth_drannon 10mo ago

That's because Hamas dug out the water pipes to build rockets - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-...