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Toast pros: - once set up, very easy to build, no “design” required Toast cons: - easy to miss - at risk of layout issues (overlaying other information) Th

by xixixao 10mo ago

Toast pros: - once set up, very easy to build, no “design” required Toast cons: - easy to miss - at risk of layout issues (overlaying other information) The tradeoff is real, but if the resources allow, I’d drop all toasts.

gherkinnn 10mo ago
> once set up, very easy to build, no “design” required Which is why they then get thrown around thoughtlessly. It becomes easy to pretend to have solved a problem using a toast instead of actually solving it.
twelvedogs 10mo ago
Generally I have treated toasts as reassurance rather than important information Like little 'saved' notifications when clicking through tabs, or email sent after clicking a send email button that might leave you on the same page Web sites tend to over inform you of what's happening I like toasts (though I no longer use them since they're it of fashion) simply because you can disregard them
anonymous908213 10mo ago
This is a terrible overview. The actual primary benefit of toasts is that they provide feedback on low-importance events without requiring the user to interact with them and without permanently taking up UI space. The web application I use most frequently would be infuriating if I had to deal with a modal window every time a toast would have been used, and UI space is at a premium for useful functionality, so occupying a permanent spot to relay those messages isn't a good solution either. I wish software developers could drop this dogmatism. Same as the old Goto considered harmful trope outliving its usefulness and all that. It's always black and white - "people can misuse this tool, so this tool is inherently bad and should be eliminated from usage completely" - rather than acknowledging that many tools have great use cases even if they can also be abused.
- xixixao 10mo ago
  There are many alternatives, OP lists some (banners, modals), but also inline messages, button states, next steps screens - not just modals. There are also a lot of professional guis (think medical software), that use no toasts.

by xixixao 10mo ago

gherkinnn 10mo ago

> once set up, very easy to build, no “design” required Which is why they then get thrown around thoughtlessly. It becomes easy to pretend to have solved a problem using a toast instead of actually solving it.

twelvedogs 10mo ago

Generally I have treated toasts as reassurance rather than important information Like little 'saved' notifications when clicking through tabs, or email sent after clicking a send email button that might leave you on the same page Web sites tend to over inform you of what's happening I like toasts (though I no longer use them since they're it of fashion) simply because you can disregard them

anonymous908213 10mo ago

This is a terrible overview. The actual primary benefit of toasts is that they provide feedback on low-importance events without requiring the user to interact with them and without permanently taking up UI space. The web application I use most frequently would be infuriating if I had to deal with a modal window every time a toast would have been used, and UI space is at a premium for useful functionality, so occupying a permanent spot to relay those messages isn't a good solution either. I wish software developers could drop this dogmatism. Same as the old Goto considered harmful trope outliving its usefulness and all that. It's always black and white - "people can misuse this tool, so this tool is inherently bad and should be eliminated from usage completely" - rather than acknowledging that many tools have great use cases even if they can also be abused.

xixixao 10mo ago
There are many alternatives, OP lists some (banners, modals), but also inline messages, button states, next steps screens - not just modals. There are also a lot of professional guis (think medical software), that use no toasts.