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> The language is astonishing. Europe, the document warns, faces “the stark prospect of civilizational erasure.” Why? Because “it is more than plausible that wi

> The language is astonishing. Europe, the document warns, faces “the stark prospect of civilizational erasure.” Why? Because “it is more than plausible that within a few decades at the latest, certain NATO members will become majority non-European.” I don’t know why they bothered with the euphemism: “non-European” clearly means “nonwhite.” It is indeed astonishing and pathetic to see the language of the "Great replacement" racist conspiracy theory coming from the highest levels of US government. These are not the words of an ally. Europe must be clear-eyed about who their allies are and are not.

mytailorisrich 11mo ago
"Great replacement" is a factual demographic trend in Western Europe. Now, whether it is a conspiracy depends on whether it is orchestrated. On the surface it isn't but then European governments have so far adamantly refused again and again to reduce immigration and indeed branded overt dissent as "racist", which obviously does feed conspiracy theories.
- SideburnsOfDoom 11mo ago
  I'm not trying to convince you, because well, you can't reason person out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into - this is your ideological conviction, and you should own it and say it clearly rather than trying to slip it in sideways, but for other readers: > European governments have so far adamantly refused again and again to reduce immigration I do not recognise this as reality. This is not how these government have behaved, the ones that I have seen. > indeed branded overt dissent as "racist" If they keep calling your position racist, then well, it might be. I get that you're a "free thinker", freely falling into well-worn extremist tropes. Complaining about "the herd" where the problem surely lies for not letting you spread your "cultural and civilisational clash" belief. But, it's just not convincing.
  - mytailorisrich 11mo ago
    It is quite an insulting reply especially when my previous comment was factual: The demographic trend is factual based on data. The high level of non-European immigration is a fact based on data and so is the refusal of Western European governments to stop it. What is unreasoned or ideological there? I am unsure what reality you live in. You can look at the stats in the UK to observe (not interpret) that successive governments have not reduced immigration even when they claimed that that was what their aim was. This holds in all other Western European countries. Unclear, too, about what is racist in any of that. This is bizarre, frankly. QED.
- foldr 11mo ago
  > certain NATO members will become majority non-European What about the US? The US is a NATO member. Is it majority European? Or majority American? Brief reflection on these questions will reveal what is meant by this euphemism. White good. Not white bad.

mytailorisrich 11mo ago

"Great replacement" is a factual demographic trend in Western Europe. Now, whether it is a conspiracy depends on whether it is orchestrated. On the surface it isn't but then European governments have so far adamantly refused again and again to reduce immigration and indeed branded overt dissent as "racist", which obviously does feed conspiracy theories.

SideburnsOfDoom 11mo ago
I'm not trying to convince you, because well, you can't reason person out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into - this is your ideological conviction, and you should own it and say it clearly rather than trying to slip it in sideways, but for other readers: > European governments have so far adamantly refused again and again to reduce immigration I do not recognise this as reality. This is not how these government have behaved, the ones that I have seen. > indeed branded overt dissent as "racist" If they keep calling your position racist, then well, it might be. I get that you're a "free thinker", freely falling into well-worn extremist tropes. Complaining about "the herd" where the problem surely lies for not letting you spread your "cultural and civilisational clash" belief. But, it's just not convincing.
- mytailorisrich 11mo ago
  It is quite an insulting reply especially when my previous comment was factual: The demographic trend is factual based on data. The high level of non-European immigration is a fact based on data and so is the refusal of Western European governments to stop it. What is unreasoned or ideological there? I am unsure what reality you live in. You can look at the stats in the UK to observe (not interpret) that successive governments have not reduced immigration even when they claimed that that was what their aim was. This holds in all other Western European countries. Unclear, too, about what is racist in any of that. This is bizarre, frankly. QED.
foldr 11mo ago
> certain NATO members will become majority non-European What about the US? The US is a NATO member. Is it majority European? Or majority American? Brief reflection on these questions will reveal what is meant by this euphemism. White good. Not white bad.