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No matter who wins, we lose.

by ngcazz 10mo ago

postexitus 10mo ago
Alien vs. Predator Whoever wins... We lose...
- WorldMaker 10mo ago
  The Alien and Predator are now both Disney Princesses. IP consolidation came for them already.
- tombert 10mo ago
  Very tangential, but that tagline was pretty misleading and it kind of pissed me off, because it was very clearly "if the Predator wins, we win".
glimshe 10mo ago
If you like going to a physical theater, a Paramount victory could be slightly less bad.
- WorldMaker 10mo ago
  Maybe? Paramount was already deep in shuffling a lot of movies to Paramount+ exclusives, and new parent company Skydance seems to have first-look deals with both Apple TV and Netflix who may or may not ask for movie projects to be streaming exclusive. (Apple TV is nearly as bad at theatrical runs as Netflix, though admittedly some of Apple's biggest "mistakes" are in presenting things beyond Oscar-bait such as Argyle that "box office flopped", but yet it is far better for physical theaters that they tried and as a fan of physical theaters I want to keep seeing them trying.)
__turbobrew__ 10mo ago
I have seen several aspects of entertainment in my life get squeezed for money (Magic The Gathering, movies, TV streaming, video games) and I have decided to basically quit any form of entertainment which is solely controlled by large corporations. People get extremely angry when Magic The Gathering charges more money, for more exclusive products, in more frequently occurring releases. Rage, grief, and sorrow over an aspect of your life that you allow a singular company to control. It doesn’t have to be this way. You can walk away , and find more fulfilling activities that you control. This is what the kids call “touching grass”. At this point I don’t watch TV, I don’t watch movies, I don’t play Magic The Gathering, I only play video games over 10 years old. As I have gotten older I see now that this entertainment is junk food that replaces real satisfaction and accomplishment in life. Humans now more than ever have the opportunity to learn and do anything, but instead they spend it squandered on a shadow of real life.
- petersellers 10mo ago
  > As I have gotten older I see now that this entertainment is junk food that replaces real satisfaction and accomplishment in life A bit too condescending if you ask me. People are free to choose to spend time on things they find entertaining and that has no bearing on whether you find it "junk food" or whether the company producing the entertainment is trying to squeeze every penny they can out of it.
  - __turbobrew__ 10mo ago
    People are given a choice on what they eat as well and many also eat junk food, despite it largely being agreed upon that junk food is not good for you. Both cheap entertainment and junk food cede your autonomy to large corporations whose main goal is to make you addicted to their product and extract the maximal amount of money. This is purely subjective, but I believe that the path to personal fulfillment does not involve watching TV and playing video games in your spare time. I say this as someone who was addicted to video games and played 40 hours a week in addition to a full time job. When someone says “No matter who wins, we lose” they are implying that we are all beholden to corporations who will inevitably screw us, but that does not have to be the case. You can choose not to participate.
    - DavidPiper 10mo ago
      As someone who has begun to fall into the "Machine Zone"[1] with gaming and stream watching (and trying to get back out) I'm feeling many of the things you're describing. I struggle with defining the line for myself because a lot of my own hobbies and goals are creative - making music, building a video game, performing improv comedy. And those things are naturally in want of an audience. Does it mean that I'm part of the problem in wanting to create entertainment, because I'm essentially asking an audience to indulge in the "junk food" that I create? I don't know. I'd be interested in your thoughts on that question because your ideas seem to be well-articulated. My current thinking is that there is a distinction between: - "So good" and "So good I could watch it for hours" - "The artistic content" and "The platform moderating your access to it" - "Pro-social" and "Anti-social" encouragement / culture of various media (the medium is the message, etc). Making good quality, non-addictive, pro-social art, independently seems to be an ideal outcome, but then your art - while also being extremely expensive to create and distribute - is in competition with highly visible, well-established, strongly addictive... McDonald's franchises. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction_by_Design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction_by_Design
dyauspitr 10mo ago
Eh, I feel like I lose less if Netflix wins
raw_anon_1111 10mo ago
Right now I pay $38 for ad free Disney + Hulu + HBO max bundle. How would it be different if Netflix raised the price of Netflix + Warner brothers content? I doubt that Netflix is going to take all of its content out of the video on demand/pay once markets like iTunes. Disney hasn’t. Disney and WB are part of the MovieAnywhere consortium where you can buy content from iTunes, Amazon Prime, Google, Vudu etc and it automatically shows up in the other libraries
exvi 10mo ago
"Whoever wins... We lose."
akimbostrawman 10mo ago
We? I would hope everbody on hackernews knows how to access movies without funding Hollywood.

No matter who wins, we lose.

by ngcazz 10mo ago

No matter who wins, we lose.

postexitus 10mo ago

Alien vs. Predator Whoever wins... We lose...

WorldMaker 10mo ago
The Alien and Predator are now both Disney Princesses. IP consolidation came for them already.
tombert 10mo ago
Very tangential, but that tagline was pretty misleading and it kind of pissed me off, because it was very clearly "if the Predator wins, we win".

glimshe 10mo ago

If you like going to a physical theater, a Paramount victory could be slightly less bad.

WorldMaker 10mo ago
Maybe? Paramount was already deep in shuffling a lot of movies to Paramount+ exclusives, and new parent company Skydance seems to have first-look deals with both Apple TV and Netflix who may or may not ask for movie projects to be streaming exclusive. (Apple TV is nearly as bad at theatrical runs as Netflix, though admittedly some of Apple's biggest "mistakes" are in presenting things beyond Oscar-bait such as Argyle that "box office flopped", but yet it is far better for physical theaters that they tried and as a fan of physical theaters I want to keep seeing them trying.)

__turbobrew__ 10mo ago

I have seen several aspects of entertainment in my life get squeezed for money (Magic The Gathering, movies, TV streaming, video games) and I have decided to basically quit any form of entertainment which is solely controlled by large corporations. People get extremely angry when Magic The Gathering charges more money, for more exclusive products, in more frequently occurring releases. Rage, grief, and sorrow over an aspect of your life that you allow a singular company to control. It doesn’t have to be this way. You can walk away , and find more fulfilling activities that you control. This is what the kids call “touching grass”. At this point I don’t watch TV, I don’t watch movies, I don’t play Magic The Gathering, I only play video games over 10 years old. As I have gotten older I see now that this entertainment is junk food that replaces real satisfaction and accomplishment in life. Humans now more than ever have the opportunity to learn and do anything, but instead they spend it squandered on a shadow of real life.

petersellers 10mo ago
> As I have gotten older I see now that this entertainment is junk food that replaces real satisfaction and accomplishment in life A bit too condescending if you ask me. People are free to choose to spend time on things they find entertaining and that has no bearing on whether you find it "junk food" or whether the company producing the entertainment is trying to squeeze every penny they can out of it.
- __turbobrew__ 10mo ago
  People are given a choice on what they eat as well and many also eat junk food, despite it largely being agreed upon that junk food is not good for you. Both cheap entertainment and junk food cede your autonomy to large corporations whose main goal is to make you addicted to their product and extract the maximal amount of money. This is purely subjective, but I believe that the path to personal fulfillment does not involve watching TV and playing video games in your spare time. I say this as someone who was addicted to video games and played 40 hours a week in addition to a full time job. When someone says “No matter who wins, we lose” they are implying that we are all beholden to corporations who will inevitably screw us, but that does not have to be the case. You can choose not to participate.
  - DavidPiper 10mo ago
    As someone who has begun to fall into the "Machine Zone"[1] with gaming and stream watching (and trying to get back out) I'm feeling many of the things you're describing. I struggle with defining the line for myself because a lot of my own hobbies and goals are creative - making music, building a video game, performing improv comedy. And those things are naturally in want of an audience. Does it mean that I'm part of the problem in wanting to create entertainment, because I'm essentially asking an audience to indulge in the "junk food" that I create? I don't know. I'd be interested in your thoughts on that question because your ideas seem to be well-articulated. My current thinking is that there is a distinction between: - "So good" and "So good I could watch it for hours" - "The artistic content" and "The platform moderating your access to it" - "Pro-social" and "Anti-social" encouragement / culture of various media (the medium is the message, etc). Making good quality, non-addictive, pro-social art, independently seems to be an ideal outcome, but then your art - while also being extremely expensive to create and distribute - is in competition with highly visible, well-established, strongly addictive... McDonald's franchises. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction_by_Design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction_by_Design

dyauspitr 10mo ago

Eh, I feel like I lose less if Netflix wins

raw_anon_1111 10mo ago

Right now I pay $38 for ad free Disney + Hulu + HBO max bundle. How would it be different if Netflix raised the price of Netflix + Warner brothers content? I doubt that Netflix is going to take all of its content out of the video on demand/pay once markets like iTunes. Disney hasn’t. Disney and WB are part of the MovieAnywhere consortium where you can buy content from iTunes, Amazon Prime, Google, Vudu etc and it automatically shows up in the other libraries

exvi 10mo ago

"Whoever wins... We lose."

akimbostrawman 10mo ago

We? I would hope everbody on hackernews knows how to access movies without funding Hollywood.