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Other than Google, what are other competitors that worth evaluating?
by emadb 10mo ago
Other than Google, what are other competitors that worth evaluating?
- Bombthecat 10mo agoOpen source... But yeah.. ms won this game
- sneak 10mo agoThere is no foss competitor to Excel.
- ambicapter 10mo agoGoogle Docs works fine for most people though (not FOSS, but most Office customers don't care).
- mc32 10mo agoIt’s about the same price without the AzureAD stuff or AV integration even if substandard. Also Google emasculated its Google sites.
- aerostable_slug 10mo agoMy problem is the knee-jerk "Google will sell/read our data" that suggesting any of their suite seems to engender. It doesn't really matter what Google says in their contracts, too many executives trust them less than MSFT. Agreed that their actual products seem to work fine for almost everyone.
- croes 10mo agoBut for many of Excels use cases
- boh 10mo agoOpen Office, Libre Office, Only Office to start.
- embedding-shape 10mo agoI want to love these, mostly because they're FOSS and Office/Google Spreadsheets seems to get more and more bloated, and subsequently slower. But the UX is just a lot worse, and it isn't easy to go from one application to another because they're slightly different enough that your productivity takes a hit from all the small papercuts. I'm waiting for some FOSS spreadsheet solution that doesn't just try to copy Office, but comes up with something better. Then it'll feel like it's worth it to learn a whole new program and its UX, rather than just suffering through it because you wanna use FOSS.
- boh 10mo agoCheck out Only Office. It's an almost total copy of the 365 aesthetic.
- embedding-shape 10mo agoYeah, that's the opposite of what I want, then I'll just continue using Excel... What I want is for someone to figure out a better UI and better UX, not just copy what's out there.
- therealjumbo 10mo agoMy hot take on a better excel: the two things excel sucks at: version control and syncing. On the backend, separate the data and the logic in the spreadsheet and put each into version control. Then use something like syncthing to share documents with colleagues. You might also need something like bitmessage for initial handshake. Now you have a spreadsheet you can collaborate on in real time over the Internet or LAN without screwing around with a server, a google account, a credit card etc. There's two more things excel is horrible at: choice of extension language and being able to graduate your spreadsheet into a real program. You fix the extension language by using something like web assembly on the back end, and probably bundle one or more compilers to go from $lang to web assembly in order to be user friendly. Lastly you fix the last problem by virtue of doing all of the above. The second two features won't draw in new users much, so they're less important in the short run but make it a lot more sticky. I'm not in a place in life to put much free time into that project, and ideas are cheap ...
- richardlblair 10mo agoOr power point. I had to make some slides for the first time in a decade. I was in Google Slides for 5 minutes, then I tried to import an SVG. That was the moment I booted into windows for the first time in 4 months. I started up Power Point and sure enough SVGs are no problem.
- hoistbypetard 10mo agoFor legacy spreadsheets, you're 100% correct. I'll need to keep a version of Excel around forever. If they price me out of 365 by making me pay for Copilot shit I don't use or want, a perpetual license to Office 2019 runs about $20 and will do that job for me. For new work that I might have otherwise done in Excel, there are good options. Collabora works. Libre Office works. Google sheets works. And Grist is quite good, and self-hostable.
- moepstar 10mo ago> a perpetual license to Office 2019 runs about $20 and will do that job for me. Isn’t that only perpetual as long as the activation servers are up?
- hoistbypetard 10mo agoProbably. I meant "perpetual" as opposed to "subscription" but I agree with your concern.
- nottorp 10mo agoYou just stash a cracked version downloaded off some high seas site just in case.
- sneak 10mo agoNone of the things you listed are suitable replacements for Excel. None. It has nothing to do with existing files/compatibility. Excel is unparalleled.
- chris_wot 10mo agoCan it open Quattro Pro files?
- array_key_first 10mo agoThe solution is actually just not using Excel. If you're essentially using Excel as a LOB backend and database, that should probably not be in Excel. It's fine if you have a few formulas. As soon as you're busting out macros it's time to sunset the workbook and make an application. There's a lot of God Excel workbooks sitting around on share drives with no audibility or quality control.
- adornKey 10mo agoLibre Office Calc is pretty similar to Excel for general use. For importing csv files it has always been superior to Excel. Some niche areas in Calc are also better than Excel. Inflexible users are locked into Excel, but for general purpose use Calc is all you need.
- jimnotgym 10mo agoWhen developers tell me that I could use Calc rather than Excel, I ask them if they would be OK being forced to use Emacs or Vim, whichever is the opposite of what they spent the last decade perfecting.
- trollbridge 10mo agoLibre Office is great for replicating what Excel did 10 years ago. Excel has a lot of things that power users use (like Power Query) that Libre Office simply isn't even trying to replicate.
- breckognize 10mo agoShameless plug: Row Zero has real enterprise traction. AWS uses us. 2B row limit, connected, eliminates the Excel security risk because it's hosted.
- hoistbypetard 10mo agoZoho and Collabora spring immediately to mind.
- stackskipton 10mo agoZoho is crap. Sure, on the tin it comes with 64 different things, but many are poorly integrated and feature set is just enough to be like "Yes, we have that feature."
- DANmode 10mo agoAs of what date?
- stackskipton 10mo agoProbably been about 2 years since I was forced to last use it but with amount of slop being added, their development priorities would have to massively changed.
- DANmode 10mo agoGotcha - way more relevant than my experiences! Thanks
- hoistbypetard 10mo agoInteresting. I know I'm not a very demanding user of word processing or presentation software. But I've been using zoho for basic business stuff for one of my businesses since 2019, and I wouldn't call it crap. It's not amazing, but I pay something like $12/user/year. And I get shared docs/sheets/decks + pretty decent email. And their transactional email service (zeptomail) is actually top notch IMO. What missing integration makes you say "it's crap" and what do you consider a good version of that thing?
- vee-kay 10mo agoI am a home user, but I use Zoho's paid email service as a backup and alternative to Gmail and Outlook, and it is pretty decent and extremely affordable.
- croes 10mo agoFor which feature? How people in companies really need the features of Word, Excel and PowerPoint? I often see people using space to right align a date, the pros use tabs.
- basch 10mo agoCanva is a go to over Microsoft and Adobe for a huge crowd of people
- preisschild 10mo agoCollabora Online
- alternatex 10mo agoUnironically Proton. Seems like they are slowly building their own suite of office tools.